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 Posted: Jul 14, 2006 5:16 am |
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Happy Days
Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Posts: 111
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I came across a Mika Nakashima news article on a chinese site and there is a small report of "Yumekui" chorus sounding similar to Mika Nakashima's old song "Will". Below is an extract of the section of the article.
此外，大塚愛鐵定于8月2日推出的個人細碟《Yumekui》，最近被網民炮轟其副歌部分很像美嘉的舊歌《Will》，導致兩派歌迷在網上展開罵戰。
I immediately look up for Mika Nakashima "Will" and listen to it carefully. I wouldn't say that both songs sound totally alike but the chorus of both songs does sound abit similar. I have to say that this case is just like the previous "Planetarium" incident where both songs just sounded differently alike. I hope this matter doesn't blow up and affect Ai release. Below is the PV of "Will", compare for yourself.
Mika's Will PV @ YouTube |
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| kazfz |
| Posted: Jul 14, 2006 5:51 am |
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フレンジャー
Joined: 24 Apr 2006
Posts: 854
Location: in my own world ^_^
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hmmmm hmmmm emmmm, errmmmmm ermmmm eeeeee...
Well is their ears not sharp or something lol i just feel that this two song is totally different lol.
Dont tell me you get it from those stupid online/or chinese newspaper that talks only about crap, try to crash Jay chou the other time. ARGHHHHH i dont like the chinese media now adays 
很像doesnt means its 像 at all [ sorry i don't have chinese programm on my com. ].... throw a big booooo to people who wrote that !! |
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| HilaryDuffFanboy |
| Posted: Jul 14, 2006 7:18 am |
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CHU-LIP
Joined: 10 Oct 2005
Posts: 1753
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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That statement is total crap, especially that last part, and the first part. I've listened to WILL many times, and it's never striked me that they are similar. I listened to WILL very attentively just then, they are similar for like, a few seconds.
Plus, it's written in Chinese, I've said many times that Chinese writers will go to no ends to pull things from their asses to write complete pieces of crap. And this is certainly not an exception.
Finally, WHY OH WHY would Otsuka Ai plagiarise a song from an artist who is very famous and has sold millions of albums? If you're gonna plagiarise, you're gonna at least try and cover it up!
So to conclude, this is just plain crap. Otsuka Ai doesn't plagiarise.
Thanks for posting and reminding us that Chinese entertainment "news" reporters suck. |
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| Evil_tomba |
| Posted: Jul 14, 2006 8:23 am |
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上塩タン焼680円
Joined: 18 May 2005
Posts: 357
Location: Toronto, Canada
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i really don't hear any similarity of yumekui and will
but thx for making me listen to mika again - i stopped listening to her after 3 hideous singles baktobak 
HilaryDuffFanboy wrote: Finally, WHY OH WHY would Otsuka Ai plagiarise a song from an artist who is very famous and has sold millions of albums? If you're gonna plagiarise, you're gonna at least try and cover it up!
not necessarily
orange range admitted to plagurizing kylie's locomotion - which was super famous
but then again, they admitted to ... "Our slogan is, 'Rip off!'" |
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| misaomeimei |
| Posted: Jul 14, 2006 9:41 am |
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甘えんぼ
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
Posts: 53
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I've never listened to Will before, but I have listened to Yumekui quite a few times...so when I listened to Will, the first few notes of the chorus sounded very similar to first few notes of Yumekui's chorus.
Listen closely to these parts:
Will - 1 7
Yumekui - 1 3
it lasts for about 10 seconds, I would say. Granted, different tempos, different keys, but I hear it very clearly. they're not the same, but they are very similar and you can't deny that. I don't think it necessarily means plagarism, though. |
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| HilaryDuffFanboy |
| Posted: Jul 14, 2006 9:56 am |
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CHU-LIP
Joined: 10 Oct 2005
Posts: 1753
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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| Yes, but Kylie Minogue is an Australian artist and Orange Range probably have a bigger chance of getting away with it rather than another Japanese artist........ But they didn't, which is good. |
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| eyn |
| Posted: Jul 14, 2006 11:43 am |
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羽ありたまご
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 2082
Location: Canada
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Thanks for bringing us something to discuss, but this accusation is way too far-fetched to be true in any sense. The chorus has just a few notes that sound similar, but that doesn't mean this song is plagiarized at all. These antifans are really going too far trying to make Ai-chin looks bad, maybe by offering money rewards for those who can find a few notes similarity in other J-Pop songs?
No, I don't buy that statement, it's for people who believe statements like these easily without judging the whole song themselves. These two songs are way too different to stand on the same level, hence no comparison is needed, at all.
I'm done. Whoever started this debate, most likely some Mika fan who happened to listen to Ai-chin as well, is dumb and trying to make a scene. These plagiarization thingy is just getting old and not interesting anymore, a lot of us here listen to different J-Pop artist as well, but why aren't we the very first to discover if there's any plagiarism in Ai-chin songs? Afterall, who would pay more attention to her music than us fans.
Think about it, plagiarism statement like these would have came from a fan maybe a year ago when they heard Yumekui the very first time, not until now, just a few weeks before the single is going to release. Suspicious huh, the motive of these people who's trying to make a scene?
Stupid noobs. |
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| yangirl |
| Posted: Jul 14, 2006 12:02 pm |
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SMILY
Joined: 13 May 2005
Posts: 455
Location: Canada
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haha, the same old game^^ shouldn't mind at bit, it's the way chinese's papers make money. Everyone knows it so it shouldn't effect ai-chin's sale.
Maybe my ears have problem that I can't hear the similar but even if it does sound similar as misaomeimei described then I would say it's very slightly slightly slightly kind of similar. Then, it's ridiculous to say that it's plagarism  . |
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| Aprilis. |
| Posted: Jul 14, 2006 1:14 pm |
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クムリウタ
Joined: 26 Aug 2005
Posts: 886
Location: Canada
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I can't pick up the specific few notes like misaomeimei did. But on the general level, both songs sound very different: the mood, melody, tempo, etc.
I'll like to see someone giving the effort of overlaping these few notes though, like with the SMILY case.
This is a silly argument. There are 7 notes in music, with different octave. And there are only "so many" combination you can get from them.
eyn wrote: Think about it, plagiarism statement like these would have came from a fan maybe a year ago when they heard Yumekui the very first time, not until now, just a few weeks before the single is going to release. Suspicious huh, the motive of these people who's trying to make a scene?
Well, since Tokyo Friends wasn't released on TV, I can understand why this issue didn't arise a year ago. But you're right, to have this so close before the release of the single  |
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| marktobias |
| Posted: Jul 14, 2006 5:36 pm |
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大好きだよ。
Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Posts: 247
Location: Peterborough, England
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| Yep it's basically just the first line of the chorus that sounds similar in rhythm and melody. That's all. It's the sort of thing you might notice and think, "haha cool". Not the sort of thing that should get published anywhere! |
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| blablablaidontknow |
| Posted: Jul 14, 2006 6:23 pm |
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SMILY
Joined: 01 Sep 2005
Posts: 397
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they dont sound similar.  or is it just me? |
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| tsumetai.ame |
| Posted: Jul 14, 2006 8:32 pm |
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Planetarium
Joined: 07 Apr 2006
Posts: 706
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blablablaidontknow wrote: they dont sound similar. or is it just me?
I don't think they do, either... ahh, I still can't get used to Nakashima Mika doing the "rocker" look after nana and making her eyebrows like that... it kind of drives me crazy. Anyways, it's not really similar at all. I mean, I'm sure all of us know about Cyndi Wang's cover of Ai's "Momo no Hanabira", now that is what copying someone's song is (except maybe a bit over...). Hey, did she ever get in trouble for it? |
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| HilaryDuffFanboy |
| Posted: Jul 14, 2006 8:37 pm |
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CHU-LIP
Joined: 10 Oct 2005
Posts: 1753
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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tsumetai.ame wrote: Hey, did she ever get in trouble for it?
That's very different. Cyndi Wang had permission to. Which makes sense since she is also under the Avex Trax label. Avex also has a Taiwanese division if you didn't know.  So of course she didn't get into trouble for it. |
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| j-kitty |
| Posted: Jul 16, 2006 4:40 am |
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甘えんぼ
Joined: 04 Feb 2006
Posts: 55
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Hmm.. The first part of the chorus in "Yumekui" sounds similar to the first part of the chorus in "Will," but the similarity ends in about five seconds. The rest of the chorus sounds different, as does the rest of the song.
It seems like a coincidence to me. It happens. I doubt she was consciously trying to make "Yumekui" sound similar to "Will." |
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| sian |
| Posted: Jul 16, 2006 9:34 am |
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上塩タン焼680円
Joined: 25 Aug 2005
Posts: 362
Location: sg
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what the hell?! this is like the 2nd or 3rd time ai-chin is accussed of plagarising!! i have heard Yumekui more than 20 times already and it's totally different from Will. it's even less than 5 seconds of that little bit of similarity at the starting of the chorus. the tempo, rhythm is so different, Will is a slow ballad while Yumekui is more rocky.
what's wrong with these people's ears |
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