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What is the correct way to write Ai's full name in english?

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Which is more correct?

Ai Otsuka  
61%
 
Otsuka Ai  
38%
 

Total Votes : 72
Stormchild
Posted: Oct 25, 2006 3:32 pm Reply with quote
大好きだよ。 大好きだよ。
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 271 Location: Vancouver, Canada
This is a pretty silly question. I can't believe you cared enough about this to create a whole poll about it. But since you did, "Ai Otsuka" is the correct way to write her name in English, because that's the order we follow (given name is first, family name is last).

I often write it as Otsuka Ai, cause that's the way I always say it (and the way you hear it on TV etc.). You can write it either way, but technically, "Ai Otsuka" is correct.
 
.::carlito::.
Posted: Nov 04, 2006 1:25 am Reply with quote
クラゲ, 流れ星 クラゲ, 流れ星
Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 3609 Location: Melbourne, Australia
I often mix up the words so I don't really know. I'd choose Ai Otsuka because that was the very first time I saw it like that. Ai, what a lovely name. Hardly anyone in Australia is named Ai. Laughing
 
Livare
Posted: Nov 04, 2006 11:15 pm Reply with quote
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Joined: 28 Oct 2006 Posts: 120 Location: Mexico.
I also think it's kind of a silly question. Since in occidental writing the given name comes before the family name, Ai Otsuka's the correct way.

(NP: Ai Otsuka - Kuromori Wagyu Kamishiotan-yaki 735 En)

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Helixius
Posted: Nov 06, 2006 4:12 am Reply with quote
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Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 8
I personally prefer Otsuka Ai coz that's the japanese order of name. However, casually, i will just refer her as Ai Smile
 
Mansley
Posted: Nov 16, 2006 12:25 am Reply with quote
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Joined: 14 Nov 2006 Posts: 868 Location: Los Angeles, California
forgot for a while, but i've been wanting to say...the correct reading for the first kanji "大" is actually "oo" sometimes written as "oh" or "o" with a bar over it. i actually did use "ootsuka" for a while in my labelling until i saw "otsuka" written on some of her releases. that being the case, i believe it is up to each person to decide how they want their name spelled and since ai used "otsuka" on some of her releases, i have since adopted this as her proper family name over "ootsuka"...

now in terms of having family name or given name first. hm...i voted for "otsuka ai". this is how the japanese pronounce it. i don't see any reason to westernize it by putting "ai" before "otsuka". sort of like...i feel i recognize ai as a japanese or more generally an east asian person by keeping the order of family name, then given name. and i feel it is more proper to do so when spelling asian names in english. however, i use "ai otsuka" for my personal library, but that is because the rest of my library is already in terms of given name, then family name.

by the way on this forum i intend to avoid this question by simply saying "ai"...everyone knows who i am referring to if i just say "ai"...
 
KerushiiAi
Posted: Nov 16, 2006 12:43 am Reply with quote
ポケット ポケット
Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 2497 Location: USA
when i type out her name, i will put "ai" first
when i say her name, i always just say "ai"
that's how i always have. Smile
and ai is a pretty name. i wanted to name my cat ai, but my mom said it would sound weird Mad
in english speaking, it'd be funny to be named ai because you would be referring to yourself in the third person! (and sometimes with bad grammar Wink )

"ai want(s) that!" <see?
 
LightDay
Posted: Nov 16, 2006 4:15 am Reply with quote
大好きだよ。 大好きだよ。
Joined: 11 Nov 2006 Posts: 254 Location: Water Seven
I agree on Ai Otsuka for English version. But well, just call Ai like KerushiiAi is good enough i guess. I also just call her Ai, and writes just Ai. And i guess there's nothing wrong to ask this question, since sometimes it's confusing for those who do not know since Japanese style of naming is different with English ones.
 
+Fumi
Posted: Nov 17, 2006 12:59 am Reply with quote
上塩タン焼680円 上塩タン焼680円
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 339 Location: southern California
When I was a little girl in Hagi I was called H***** Fumiko, but now I am living in America and I am Fumiko H***** instead, this is the way of my social circle. Same Otsuka, we are her American social circle, she will not be upset if we place her family name last as Americans do.

She will be upset if we call her Ai-chan to her face! and we are not members of her family. Maybe it's okay you guys do this among yourselves but this is not a proper way to address some Japanese person you are not familiar with. ("Familiar" means "member of family" in this way.) If we are in Japan, I will call her Otsuka-san and she will call me the same way, unless we become friends.
 
LightDay
Posted: Nov 17, 2006 1:22 am Reply with quote
大好きだよ。 大好きだよ。
Joined: 11 Nov 2006 Posts: 254 Location: Water Seven
I see, i guess that's how it is. And we are supposed to call by surname? Otsuka-san instead of Ai-san?
 
+Fumi
Posted: Nov 17, 2006 7:10 am Reply with quote
上塩タン焼680円 上塩タン焼680円
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 339 Location: southern California
LightDay wrote:
I see, i guess that's how it is. And we are supposed to call by surname? Otsuka-san instead of Ai-san?

I think we are here in our forum, we can do what we wish. You call her Ai-chan because you like her very much, yes? and this is how you can feel like close to her, yes? I call her Otsuka because I cannot escape my training from little girl! LOL! But if we are meet her in public, we must be polite! we will say Otsuka-san, okay? until we are close friends.

Japan is a very small place, do you know this? smaller than American state California, but over 130 millions of people in Japan, and they must live close to valleys and ocean, not in mountains. Always in history, Japan is a very crowded place. We follow rules of politeness to make some kind of distance among us, we must do this to prevent conflict between us.
 
del
Posted: Nov 17, 2006 7:32 am Reply with quote
大好きだよ。 大好きだよ。
Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 211 Location: Wellington, New Zealand
LightDay wrote:
I see, i guess that's how it is. And we are supposed to call by surname? Otsuka-san instead of Ai-san?

As +fumi said you are supposed to use the surname first.
I use ootsuka ai and otsuka ai and use the honorific suffix at times (although lately I have been forgetting to use it ><)
I have trouble just calling her 'ai' or 'ai-chin' when referring to her or her music. So I just say 'ootsuka ai'\'otsuka ai' Maybe I should remember to use honorific suffixes more often...

~Del
 
LightDay
Posted: Nov 17, 2006 4:28 pm Reply with quote
大好きだよ。 大好きだよ。
Joined: 11 Nov 2006 Posts: 254 Location: Water Seven
Hmm...i don't really call her Ai-chan, nor Ai-chin. I prefer to just say "Ai". But well, that's not much difference from ppl calling Ai-chan. I understand there is a certain degree of discipline in Japan, so what u are saying did make sense to me. Thanks. Smile
 
Stormchild
Posted: Nov 19, 2006 8:49 pm Reply with quote
大好きだよ。 大好きだよ。
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 271 Location: Vancouver, Canada
del wrote:
As +fumi said you are supposed to use the surname first.

The correct way to write it in English is "Ai Otsuka". That was the original question asked by the poll, and it's the only correct answer.
 
+Fumi
Posted: Nov 19, 2006 11:04 pm Reply with quote
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Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 339 Location: southern California
Stormchild wrote:
The correct way to write it in English is "Ai Otsuka". That was the original question asked by the poll, and it's the only correct answer.

I said this in my post too. In English we usually write given name first, family name last, except filling out government forms. If we write Japanese name using English format, same. If we write Japanese name using Japanese format, opposite. I think there is not correct or incorrect answer, this is not contest, but discussion, yes? just because forum members like this person and want to discuss anything about her!
 
Stormchild
Posted: Nov 20, 2006 2:04 pm Reply with quote
大好きだよ。 大好きだよ。
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 271 Location: Vancouver, Canada
+Fumi wrote:
I think there is not correct or incorrect answer, this is not contest, but discussion, yes?

No, a specific question was asked, and there is a correct answer. The correct way to write anyone's name in English is given name first, family name last. That's why we call it your "first name" and "last name" (and most of us have a "middle name" too).

It's like asking "what's the capital city of California?" It's not a matter of opinion or discussion; the correct answer is Sacramento. In exactly the same way, in English your given name is your first name, and your family name is your last name.

Yes, sometimes when you fill out forms, you write your last name first. And some people have their address book arranged as "LastName, FirstName" so they can search by family name instead of given name. So, sometimes we use the names in a different order for various reasons, but there is still only one official order, and in most situations that order is used.

Obviously it's not a competition, and it's perfectly alright to discuss it. All I'm saying is, there is a correct answer to the actual question that was asked at the beginning of the thread.
 
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