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| Tatsuka Ito |
 Posted: Jan 01, 2007 6:27 pm |
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常用漢字！２級から始める！
Kanji have an official order, and according to the government , 1,945 should be learned school for daily use, and an additional 984 for names（人名用漢字）. both are tested on the 漢検（AKA 漢字検定), a test conducted every year after your kanji education starts to make sure you can read them all.
BUT!!!!!!!!! Newspapers often follow this set closely, but there are many common kanji not included on the 常用・人名用 list (ex. 脊、誰、韓、呑). People have complained that these should be added, but the government doesnt want to hear it.
I F YOU REALLY WANT TO LEARN KANJI YOU WILL HAVE TO POST IN THIS THREAD.
SO,after the next post, i ll start with your kanji training
Just a few usage notes:
Here is an example of a kanji
一 : イチ、 ひと
名乗り：かず、はじめ
英語: one
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一人【ひとり】One person
一代【かずよ】Kazuyo (Fem. name)
一度【いちど】One time, １℃
(名乗り Are readings use donly for names. sadly, theres alot of kanji that have those. Also sadly, my stupid books doesnt include them, so i have to look them up over the internet, whoopdy doo. On a side note, japan uses the metric system, celcius, 24 hour clock, and has the steering wheel on the right.)
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| Mansley |
| Posted: Jan 01, 2007 6:36 pm |
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hi tatsuka! i am training in kanji on my own. it seems like an epic effort and the site i am using does not have all 1945 kanji yet but i hope they will when i get there. (although...it definitely doesn't have them for names as far as i know)
but i will stop by this thread regularly to supplement what i do on my own, i think the more exposure i have the better. |
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| davedim |
| Posted: Jan 01, 2007 6:46 pm |
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| I have a bunch of PDF textbooks on kanji if anyone wants them. |
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| short+simple |
| Posted: Jan 01, 2007 7:04 pm |
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大好きだよ。
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davedim wrote: I have a bunch of PDF textbooks on kanji if anyone wants them.
oo..they sound help full  |
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| Tatsuka Ito |
| Posted: Jan 01, 2007 7:48 pm |
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I see. I know about 1 reading for about 800 kanji, and 2 or more readings for about 500 kanji. *psst your egos showing* i can read kanji from each grade, i can read all the kanji from grade 1~3. From there the kanji i can read are scattered between grade 4~9.
２級常用漢字：
刀 弓 丸 工 才 万 心 引 今 牛 止 戸 方 元 午 父 公 少 切 太 内 友 毛 分 矢 外 兄 古 広 市 冬 台 半 用 母 北 肉 羽 行 西 米 会 回 毎 光 合 自 交 考 寺 色 多 地 池 当 同 言 走 何 角 汽 近 形 作 社 図 声 体 谷 弟 里 売 麦 来 夜 門 画 岩 京 国 姉 直 知 長 東 店 歩 妹 明 食 科 海 活 計 南 後 思 室 首 秋 春 星 前 茶 昼 点 風 馬 夏 家 帰 記 原 高 紙 時 弱 書 通 黄 魚 強 教 黒 鳥 細 週 雪 船 組 野 理 雲 絵 間 場 晴 朝 答 道 買 番 園 遠 楽 新 数 電 話 歌 語 算 読 聞 鳴 線 親 頭 顔 曜
刀 ：トウ、かたな
英語：Sword
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小刀【こがたな】 Small sword
大刀【だいとう】Big sword
弓：ゆみ、キュウ
英語：Bow （Arcery)
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弓術【きゅうじゅつ】 Archery
丸：まる、まる（い）、まる（める）、ガン
英語：round, まる（める）Make round
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丸呑みする【まるのみ】To Swallow
丸薬【がんやく】 Pill
日の丸【ひのまる】 Japanese flag
工：コウ、ク
英語：Artisan;manufacturing, construction
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工事（中）【こうじ『ちゅう』】（Under) Construction
工業【こうぎょう】 Manufacturing industry
才：サイ
英語：talent, genius, ~years old
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天才【てんさい】 Genius
２８才【にじゅうはっさい】
万:マン、よろず、バン
英語：１０，０００； バン Many, all
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１００万【ひゃくまん】 Million
１０００万【せんまん】 １０ Million
万神々【よろずかみがみ】 Shinto pantheon
Sorry i didnt post so many in this post, i ll post more in the next one. |
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| KerushiiAi |
| Posted: Jan 01, 2007 7:51 pm |
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thanks, Tatsuka! 
i'll gladly look in this thread to learn. but i gotta work on learning my hiragana and katakana too  maybe i should do that today...
also, when you type in a kanji that your going to teach us, could you make it a little bigger maybe? just so it's easier for us to see. it'd be helpful, thanks.
@ dave
wow, yeah, those would be awesome |
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| davedim |
| Posted: Jan 01, 2007 7:58 pm |
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| Tatsuka Ito |
| Posted: Jan 01, 2007 8:32 pm |
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心:こころ、シン
英語：Heart,mind,core
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中心【ちゅうしん】Core
本心【ほんしん】Trueself
一心に【いっしんに】Fervently
引：ひ（く）、イン
英語：Pull,attract
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風邪を引く【かぜをひく】 To Catch a colｄ
今：コン、キン、いま
英語：Now
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今日【きょう】Today
今年【ことし】This year
今度【こんど】This time,next time
今頃【いまごろ】About this time
牛：うし、ギュウ
英語：Cow
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牛乳【ぎゅうにゅう】 Milk
牛肉【ぎゅうにく】 Beef
子牛【こうし】Calf
止 ：シ、と（める）、と（まる）、や（める）、や（む）
英語：Stop
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通行止め【つうこうどめ】Road closed
戸 ：と、コ
英語：Door
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戸口【とぐち】 Door way
木戸【きど】Gate,entrance
方：かた、ホウ
英語：Method,way,person
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あの方【あのかた】 That person
方言【ほうげん】 Dialect
元 ：もと、ガン、ゲン
英語：Origin,base； yuan
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元気【げんき】 Energetic
地元【じもと】Local
午：ゴ
英語：Noon
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午前【ごぜん】A.M.
午後【ごご】P.M
父：ちち、じ、とう、フ
英語：Father
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父さん【とうさん】Dad
親父【おやじ】Old man, geezer
父親【ちちおや】Father
父母【ふぼ】Mother and father
公 ：おおやけ、、コウ
英語：Public,local,official
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公立【こうりつ】Public law |
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| del |
| Posted: Jan 02, 2007 1:51 am |
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大好きだよ。
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Just a question to ピンク～姫 do you learn kanji by need or by grade order?
I prefer by need, as lists seem to feed you less important ones first (also do you memorise kun/on yomi or just learn by context?)
~Del |
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| tsukiko |
| Posted: Jan 02, 2007 4:03 am |
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| This is really useful, thanks Tatsuka! And thanks for the links too, davedim. But I realised that there are many ways to pronounce just one kanji, so how do you know which one is the right one? |
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| Tatsuka Ito |
| Posted: Jan 02, 2007 4:08 pm |
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del wrote: Just a question to ピンク～姫 do you learn kanji by need or by grade order?
I prefer by need, as lists seem to feed you less important ones first (also do you memorise kun/on yomi or just learn by context?)
~Del
By need. For example, I know 牛乳 Reads ぎゅうにゅう But when i was typing up the readgins for 牛 I couldnt remember the 音読み、Even though, if you gave the word 牛乳 I would read it.
But on terms of being able to know all the readings of a kanji by looking at it, i learn that by grade.The its still best I STUDY these kanji as well, the kanji i know are well scattered throughout the grades, and there is one kanji in grade 2 that i do not know. BESIDES, sort of like my own 漢検, when your learning kanji , everytime you are done witha grade, it is best to prepare a test for yourself. Check which kanji from the previous grades readings dont come to you as quickly, or you cant remember all of their readings and include it on the test.
少：ショウ、すく（ない）、すこ（し）
英語：A little,few
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少々【しょうしょう】 A little
少しずつ【すこしずつ】 Little by little
切:セツ、サイ、き（る）
英語：Cut
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大切な【たいせつな】Important
太：タ、タイ、ふと（い）、ふと（る）
英語：Big, thick ふと（る）To Become fat,get fat
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太い【ふとい】Thick
太っちゃうよ【ふとっちゃうよ】 You re gonna get fat!
内：ナイ、うち
英語：Inside
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国内【こくない】Domestic
内緒【ないしょ】Private
友：とも、ユウ
英語：Friend
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友人【ゆうじん】Friend
親友【しんゆう】Close friend
友情【ゆうじょう】Friendship
友達【ともだち】Friend
毛：モウ、け
英語：Hair,fur,down
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毛布【もうふ】 Blanket
毛糸【けいと】 Wool thread, yarn
分：フン。ブ、ブン、わ（かつ）、わ（かる）、わ（かれる）
英語：ブン、ブ Portion フン Minute わかつ Divide わかる Understand わかれる Branch off
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３０分【さんじゅっぷん】３０ Minutes
半分【はんぶん】 Half
矢：や、シ
英語：Arrow
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弓矢【ゆみや】 Bow and arrow
外：ガイ、ゲ、そと、ほか、はず（れる）
英語：Outside,ほか Other はずれる Slip off
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外見【がいけん】 Outward appearance
以外【いがい】 Except for, besides, outside of
兄：キョウ、あに
英語：Older brother
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兄弟【きょうだい】siblingｓ
兄さん【にいさん】Ｏｌｄｅｒ ｂｒｏｔｈｅｒ
古：コ、ふる（い）
英語：Ｏｌｄ
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古い【ふるい】Ｏｌｄ
広：コウ、ひろ
英語：Ｗｉｄｅ ｂｒｏａｄ
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広い【ひろい】Ｗｉｄｅ
市：シ、いち
英語：Ｃｉｔｙ、いち Ｆａｉｒ、Ｍａｒｋｅｔ
冬：トウ、ふゆ
英語：winter
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立冬【りっとう】Beginning of winter
冬季【とうき】Another word for winter |
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| Mansley |
| Posted: Jan 02, 2007 6:26 pm |
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i am learning by grade order but i agree sometimes they feed me useless kanji. 「貝」 is the kanji for shellfish. WHY DO FIRST GRADERS NEED TO KNOW WHAT A SHELLFISH IS? (i am learning the first grade kanjis currently...i can feel smart by telling myself i'm going to learn a years worth of kanji in a month or at least try...or i can feel stupid by telling myself first graders already know this and why am i having so much trouble with it?)
@Tatsuka
after actually seeing you start to post the kanji, i realize this is going to be a bigger effort than i first imagined. but you are doing very good work here.
@davedim
I wonder why but i've never thought to put japanese textbooks on my computer. now that you've posted those it seems like a good idea. thank you sir, i will be using them from time to time. |
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| del |
| Posted: Jan 02, 2007 6:57 pm |
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大好きだよ。
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Tatsuka Ito wrote: By need. For example, I know 牛乳 Reads ぎゅうにゅう But when i was typing up the readgins for 牛 I couldnt remember the 音読み、Even though, if you gave the word 牛乳 I would read it.
But on terms of being able to know all the readings of a kanji by looking at it, i learn that by grade.The its still best I STUDY these kanji as well, the kanji i know are well scattered throughout the grades, and there is one kanji in grade 2 that i do not know. BESIDES, sort of like my own 漢検, when your learning kanji , everytime you are done witha grade, it is best to prepare a test for yourself. Check which kanji from the previous grades readings dont come to you as quickly, or you cant remember all of their readings and include it on the test.
Oh ok, I learn by need and then study the stroke order (don't pay much attention to other readings. However, I do look at the popular compounds for each kanji) If I need to know a reading for a kanji by itself I turn to wakan, rikai-chan or my Canon Wordtank ><
Also I haven't been bothered with grade lists, I think I'll just stick to need and learning readings as they come..
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| Tatsuka Ito |
| Posted: Jan 02, 2007 7:28 pm |
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Well yes, The kanji after the 教育 Are very rare, and actually, some of them are evn rarer then the ones not on the joyo list. You will forgot the ones you dont need anywya.
And mansley, 貝 Is taught in grade 1 because of its simple shape and because its common.
Actually, the grade one kanji are hardest to remember because they have the most readings, and since you have a flood of kanji coming from all the other grades (and from the jinmeiyou kanji list) They become easY to forget. |
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