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Do you all feel wasted not understanding Ai chin's lyrics?

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Glovek8
Posted: Jan 05, 2008 3:38 pm Reply with quote
甘えんぼ 甘えんぼ
Joined: 15 May 2005 Posts: 66 Location: Singapore
Hi, as the topics suggested... For those that does not understand japanese do you all feel that it is a waste not to understand the lyrics of the songs... To me, a melody of a song is as to a appearance of a person and the lyrics of a song is to a personality of a person...

I listen to quite alot of songs, though mostly in chinese, and some of the not so popular or "nice" songs, i would love them alot because of the lyrics...

And for Ai chin, i think she is a really amazing musician to me, because of her talent to create all those very touching and cute songs, and i really feel she sings with emotions and she sings because she likes to sing and that she really put in her heart into singing the song... I say that ai chin is a very amazing musician is because alot of song writers cant consistently write good songs, but ai has done it throughout her career..

Even though i dun understand Japanese, i can feel the songs's meaning and emotions through voice...

Pardon me if u all cant understand as i am not very good in english... I would really like to learn japanese if i got the time and money, as i wan to understand the meaning of the songs... So do you all feel it would be better if we understand japanese...I'm sorry, if this topic has been posted
 
octocoffee
Posted: Jan 05, 2008 3:45 pm Reply with quote
ポケット ポケット
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2496 Location: USA
I don't think so...like you said, there's a lot of emotion conveyed through Ai's voice. And usually the songs have a beautiful composition so you can tell the mood and "story" of the song quite easily. Of course, reading the lyrics serves to enhance my enjoyment of the song, but usually, just listening to the song is enough for me. I like to create my own imaginary lyrics anyway, to fit to my current situation.
 
1337rice
Posted: Jan 05, 2008 4:00 pm Reply with quote
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Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 892 Location: Toronto
No.

Definitely...No.
When you listen to music, you don't really have to understand it...as long as you think it sounds good, thats music (in my case). Its like people listening to gangsta rap, you don't understand a word they're saying with all the slurs, swears and words sung in one breath LOL, but people still like it.
I understand like a couple words(less than 15?) in japanese, but I don't consider that I know it.
 
Glovek8
Posted: Jan 05, 2008 4:10 pm Reply with quote
甘えんぼ 甘えんぼ
Joined: 15 May 2005 Posts: 66 Location: Singapore
hmmm.. maybe i shouldnt have used the word wasted... i shld have say would u feel that it would be a "enhancement" like octocoffee have said... i really like the way ai chin convey her songs.. maybe it is because the song is written by herself thus she understand the story behind it...
 
sljinu
Posted: Jan 05, 2008 8:10 pm Reply with quote
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Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 1203
It probably is more of an enhancement to understand but if you already made your own interpretation of the lyrics from what you feel then perhaps you might end up being disappointed when you find the lyrics convey something totally different. So, in the end it depends on the situation.
But it definitely isn't a waste. What if one listens to music without any lyrics at all? For example jazz? It's up to ourselves to make our own interpretation from the sound, and how the artist has conveyed it.
 
sweet_honeydew
Posted: Jan 05, 2008 9:10 pm Reply with quote
甘えんぼ 甘えんぼ
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 70 Location: Toronto, Canada
I don't think it's a waste at all. I can understand what you mean about the lyrics bringing in personality and all, as I listen to Chinese music too. But what I find in Chinese music is that, a lot of the songs are good only because of the lyrics and not the melody. Like for example, when I listen to a Chinese song, I pay more attention to the lyrics in the song than the actual melody, especially if it's a slow Chinese song. Because for Chinese songs, lyrics come out very meaningful and a lot of the times, very emotional. So the lyrics play a very big part in that. But even with a good melody Chinese song, if the lyrics don't fit right with it, it loses its appeal. That's why I think most Chinese musicians spend a lot of time on the lyrics writing part when producing the song. However, I find that with Japanese music it's different. A lot of the times, I actually don't spend the time or even bother looking up the translation of the actual meanings for a song. I like to rather make up my own imagination through the melody/music.

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sljinu:
It probably is more of an enhancement to understand but if you already made your own interpretation of the lyrics from what you feel then perhaps you might end up being disappointed when you find the lyrics convey something totally different. So, in the end it depends on the situation.


Exactly like what sljinu said in the quote. And a lot of the times, you can really guess the whole story/mood of the song already just by listening to her voice and the way she sings it. Like when I first listened to Kumuriuta, I get this feeling and picture in my head of this sad, heart broken, lonely girl in the rain and it shows in the PV---that she's singing in the rain and is lonely. Sort of like how the rain symbolizes her tears falling from the sky or that every time it rains, it reminds of her a reminsicing but yet painful past of her lost lover who perhaps has passed away some time ago? And she feels lonely when it rains as she gets reminded of her lover. So to me, it doesn't really matter if I actually fully understand the lyrics in the song. And I agree, Ai does bring in a lot of emotions in her songs when she sings. I especially like how sad and emotional she sounds in Kumuriuta. And if you listen very carefully at the end of the song, you hear her make this soft breathing sound, which I don't know why she added that in the song, but I thought it really brings "life" to the song. And the Music Station Special episode (2007.10.05) was the only performance for Kumuriuta where she included that "breathing" sound at the end of her performance. She didn't add that in any of her other Kumuriuta performances.

And because I don't understand Japanese, the melody of the song and the singer's voice does it all for me. Smile
 
octocoffee
Posted: Jan 06, 2008 1:15 am Reply with quote
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Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 2496 Location: USA
^Before reading the lyrics, I imagined Kumuriuta as a girl sitting outside on a bench underneath a cloudy sky, waiting to rain on her. So either we think alike or Ai is really good at showing the mood of a song. I like to think that it's both Giggle. I thought that the girl wanted it to rain so she wouldn't be the only one crying. And I agree with you, her little gasps of breath added dimension to the song.
 
Glovek8
Posted: Jan 06, 2008 8:02 am Reply with quote
甘えんぼ 甘えんぼ
Joined: 15 May 2005 Posts: 66 Location: Singapore
yeah aichin really convey her emotions well... and seriously i really never look at any translation for her songs yet... I am just pure listening to wat emotions she has put into... : Love ... Kumuriuta is a very nice song =) it is the 1st song that caught my attention on love piece...
 
hiro
Posted: Jan 06, 2008 5:53 pm Reply with quote
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Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 502
i really focus on the sound of the music and the emotion created by her voice when i listen to her songs.
each syllable also creates its own effect, so even though i can't understand about 90% of the lyrics without a translation, listening to the articulations in the voice is usually enough auditory stimuli to get the emotion of the song across Tongue
i am slowly learning japanese though.
common words and phrases in ai's lyrics:
natsu = summer
sora = sky
hikari = light
kokoro = heart
isshoni = with you
aishiteru = i love you
daisuki = i (really) like you
 
Jester
Posted: Jan 07, 2008 12:43 am Reply with quote
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Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 844 Location: Canada
That's a really good question and it's one that I get from my friends all the time when I tell them that I listen to Japanese music. "What's the point if you can't tell what she's saying?" Then, these exact same friends tell me that they love the instrumental acoustic version of so-and-so song. Weird, eh? Of course, the song's lyrics are important but I think at the heart of music is a rhythm; a rhythm that makes you feel a certain way. Ai-chin's music really reaches out to me and she captures a full spectrum of emotions with just the right rhythm to make you feel the way she wants you to. Whether it's a bottomless sadness or perpetual happiness, she sings the message straight to that part of your brain that appreciates it. At least, that's how I feel.
 
pochaccoboy
Posted: Jan 07, 2008 2:28 am Reply with quote
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Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 68 Location: CA
haha
sometimes i guess
but i look it up!
nd i sorta understand stuff because ive been takin japanese for 4 years
even though our teacher is absolutely horrifyingly bad
 
jibi_ai
Posted: Jan 07, 2008 5:57 am Reply with quote
さくらんぼ さくらんぼ
Joined: 20 Jul 2007 Posts: 41 Location: Bkk, Thailand
Although I understand a little Japanese, I'll answer your question.
of course, NO!
Music is not language, you can enjoy it even you don't understand. Enjoy the instrument, mood, cute voice of Ai or anythings ^^
Ai-chin too, like her CHU-LIP, she ever said that "You don't need to understand this song, It's mysterious [Nazo], all you need is just enjoy it."
Thinking about listening to Classical music or Jazz, They don't even have a lyrics!!!! but many people enjoy it.
 
sweet_honeydew
Posted: Jan 08, 2008 12:16 pm Reply with quote
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Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 70 Location: Toronto, Canada
@ octocoffee: I think it's both too. I also really like how she sounds in Renai Sashin. Her voice sounds very warming and sweet in that song. Love

And like hiro said, I also know some common Japanese terms and when I heard her sing "sora" I thought of a gloomy sky because of the set mood in the song, and that is enough for me to guess the story in the song. Giggle
 
hiro
Posted: Jan 08, 2008 6:12 pm Reply with quote
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@sweet_honeydew: which song?

my favorite song by ai, "haneari tamago". includes "sora" (空) in the first line of the chorus:
青い空に高く 今なら飛べるかな
"aoi sora ni takaku ima nara toberu kana"
which means:
high in the blue sky, maybe now can I fly? (source: vllasko.com)
what a moving line. i love the emotion she puts into that song, especially in her love cook tour performance.
 
sweet_honeydew
Posted: Jan 08, 2008 8:52 pm Reply with quote
甘えんぼ 甘えんぼ
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 70 Location: Toronto, Canada
^Ohh....I referring to Kumuriuta. Giggle
 
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