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Calis
Posted: Apr 24, 2010 5:50 pm Reply with quote
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I am sorry 1337rice, but Perfume cannot dance. did you see them trying to teach SCANDAL the steps to Baby Crusing Love? A great piece of tv, made better because Perfume forgot the steps to their own song.

they don't really dance either, just throw shapes. that is why parapara was so big, you don't need any rhythm to pull it off, in fact any natural rhythm would probably be a hindrance. which is why you don't see jamaican girls dancing to hinoi team.
 
skeedatl
Posted: Apr 24, 2010 7:23 pm Reply with quote
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Well, I somewhat agree. But I also find in most cases, those who CAN dance, CAN'T sing.

That is a near universal truth in every -pop; E-Pop, K-Pop, J-Pop. These artists have to dance to distract from the noise they generate. Giggle
 
Taxi
Posted: Apr 24, 2010 7:59 pm Reply with quote
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I have to admit I kind of agree with Calis about Perfume's dancing. I'm always disappointed with their PV's because of this. They have some good songs, though.

Tommy Kawase has some clever moves in her performances but, like Ai, it's more performance than actual dance. I don't really go looking for the dancing, so I can't say too much more about it, except that Miyu Nagase did a pretty good job of both dancing and singing on her first two singles: "Just 4 your Luv" and "snowy love", but then stopped doing the urban R&B thing after that.
 
Calis
Posted: Apr 24, 2010 8:45 pm Reply with quote
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Tommy Kawase/february's dance routines are the same old sub-parapara moves, only difference with perfume is that Tommy seems to be able to remember what step comes next.

Tommy Kawase/heavenly is wonderful, spooky, ethereal, can't dance for toffee. she does sway well though, and stamp her foot as in heavy starry heavenly. she cannot sing live either, which hugely disappointed me.

in case anyone thinks i am pushing this criticism, i actually think it is cool that japanese girls can't dance, after all if they could they would be too perfect. and of course japanese girls invented parapara to cover up their complete lack of natural rhythm, and, as i am sure anyone who has seen Hirano Aya dancing to the Theme to Haruhi Suzumiya will agree, parapara is one of the great inventions of the modern age.
 
petree
Posted: Apr 25, 2010 4:15 am Reply with quote
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lol i just read a skim but it looks like people went all over with this haha. from her dancing to her sking to her songs and others dancing and crap hee hee.

hahahah well ill just comment on what the original topic title about the dancing.... like some people have mentioned her dancing is nothing of the same caliber as like boa or others but its not suppose to be that kinda of dancing either. Shes like on her own style of doing things and her dancing isn't suppose to be her attraction unlike other artists.
 
Crystallas
Posted: Apr 25, 2010 7:15 am Reply with quote
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Calis you are boring. Your arguments are quite senseless too. Japense women can't dance? Oh yeah, thats why BoA, Koda Kumi and Namie Amuro (+ their backup dancers) are talented dancers with a lot of stage experience, huh? Oh my god... And I still think that this topic is quite senseless as well.
 
pamagirly7
Posted: Apr 25, 2010 11:01 am Reply with quote
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^ Haha Crystallas - "Nobody offends my precious Ai-chin!!" Laughing
But seriously - I don't think that she can't dance, she just doesn't have to. She's not creating music like for example Namie or Koda, which is good for dance. I like how she moves on stage, and I like LUCKY STAR dance as well. I don't really understand what is wrong about it - it's weird, but in my opinion Ai-chin HAS natural rhythm. She is dancing same as her dancing teacher so it's not her fault, that sometimes some moves might seem out of rhythm. I also think that a singer who composes his own music must have natural rythm, else he wouldn't sing well with music. I don't think that dancing ability is needed in music industry - it's good, but not neccesary. We can create "Ai can't play the guitar/violin/drums" topics as well, but that's not leading us anywhere. Ai has got so many talents, that it's bad for us to demand even more Tongue
 
Crystallas
Posted: Apr 25, 2010 11:05 am Reply with quote
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^ It's not that I can't accept criticism, but I think that this topic is just senseless. Ai-chan is a pop-rock artist, like you said: "I don't think that she can't dance, she just doesn't have to". And I think it's quite conceited if someone says things like "ALL japanese woman can't dance". It's just stupid Laughing.
 
Calis
Posted: Apr 25, 2010 11:11 am Reply with quote
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it was supposed to be slightly amusing Crystallas, though it was obvious from your post on the previous page that you completely missed the point right from the start.

it also appears to be the busiest new topic created in a while, has dealt with many subjects including the vocal style and presentation (which includes dancing) of several music artists from around the world, and how these can be perceived as relevant to the overall quality of the music. we have discussed in more depth LOVE LETTER and how it may compare to earlier periods of Ai's music, and swapped some other music recommendations. i have also since went back and listened again to LOVE LETTER, because of the opinions people had expressed here, and thoroughly enjoyed it.

the topic has seen you return on several occasions to have your say on the opinions expressed by others. surely this is the whole reason for discussion forums to exist.

you may still wish to criticise this topic, but please attempt to be more articulate and constructive than offering "stupid" and "boring", as your sole intelligible contribution.
 
Crystallas
Posted: Apr 25, 2010 12:30 pm Reply with quote
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False Wink. I don't have to get the point right, because there is no point or something like this. I mean, I don't get what you want to tell us. She isn't the best dancer, of course, but thats alright. I mean, she makes Pop-Rock music, she isn't a R&B- or Dance-artist Confused. Have you ever seen a Pop-Rock singer who did great moves and had complex choreographies? This topic is just totally unnecessary, in my opinion.

And I don't like that you allege shit like 'japanese woman can't dance'. I mean, that shows that you don't know anything about japanese dancers and stuff like this Laughing.
 
chokokokoa
Posted: Apr 25, 2010 12:43 pm Reply with quote
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Calis wrote:
all japanese girls can't dance.
It's about modern dances, but they can dance their own traditional dances. And it's beautiful. Nod



 
Calis
Posted: Apr 25, 2010 2:23 pm Reply with quote
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Crystallas still makes no sense, however i can no longer debate with someone who uses the expression "and stuff" as the level of their arguments. I now know who safely to ignore.

chokokokoa, i'll admit it, i cannot disagree when you point out that traditional japanese dancing is both elegant and beautiful. my argument that japanese girls cannot dance therefore falls apart. still it interested enough people over a couple of days for them to make comment on it. yours being the most perceptive of all.
 
skeedatl
Posted: Apr 25, 2010 3:04 pm Reply with quote
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I think we all really know what Calis is referring to. Ai-Chin isn't a Boa Kwon and she looks out of place dancing in a live performance or PV. But I like Ai-chin because she is a REAL singer-songwriter, one of a few true MUSIC talents. Ai-chis's heart-sourced lyrics draw emotional reactions. BoA and those like her, who currently dominate pop around the world in my opinion do not. Those dance shows and PVs are entertaining but lack emotion. They are very fun to watch but you can leave your brain and heart at the door. To me they are no different than a summer popcorn movie. They get tons of fans, tons of ticket sales but you would never find them on any best movie lists.

Personally I see To Kill a Mockingbird a far more important film than Avatar even if Avatar is way more *popular*. I see Ai-chin equally inspirational, heartwarming and thought provoking, far more than any artist at the top of oricon or mnet. She doesn't need to dance and I find it distracting; taking the focus away from her emotional expression both audio and visual. It doesn't make for good stage presence and detracts from her amazing talent as a singer-songwriter. Just seeing her cheeky smile and hearing her voice is more than enough.
 
chokokokoa
Posted: Apr 25, 2010 3:11 pm Reply with quote
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skeedatl wrote:
Just seeing her cheeky smile and hearing her voice is more than enough.
Nod Nod Nod
 
theseventhglass
Posted: Apr 25, 2010 6:12 pm Reply with quote
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Wow, that got kind of heated. ^_^; I think Ai can't dance--and that's why I love to see her try. I think that she can get up on stage or in front of a camera and do something that she doesn't necessarily have a strong talent for is a show of the confidence and good-natured attitude that she's known for. She's not being a pop star, she's just having fun and that's very cool to me. Smile
 
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