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Calis
Posted: Apr 23, 2010 2:07 am Reply with quote
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Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 36 Location: Olympus Mons
something i have found funny for a while but never mentioned, springs to mind now as i have just watched the pv for Lucky Star.

Our wonderful talented Ai-chan cannot dance.

She does try, but never quite manages to cover up her lack of natural rhythm. most amusing.

however, Lucky Star is a poor effort. where is Ai going with this stuff? yes her music is changing and maturing, but she is not writing songs which really TEST her voice, tracks like amaenbo, neko ni fusen and Daisuki da yo really showcased her amazing vocal range, this new stuff does not stretch her at all.

she better sort it out or i will fall in love with Cocco instead, when was the last time Ai produced a track with the intensity and emotion of Kinuzure?


that must be my first post for a year or more. Calis Redux.
 
pon pon
Posted: Apr 23, 2010 3:24 am Reply with quote
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when i first saw the title of this topic i immediately thought of the Genesis song I Can't Dance. you think it could be her theme song? Giggle

if your starting point is that she is not a dancer then i reckon her dancing/movements are good enough. sure, she is not as good as BoA or even Ayu.

i think what is going on here is Avex has her regular choreographer and some dancers on staff and it is a case of somebody using them or they sit around doing nothing.

but the dancing is extraneous anyway. for me, it is all about the music.
 
Calis
Posted: Apr 23, 2010 5:01 am Reply with quote
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i agree, it is all about the music.

her music is getting weaker. i have been in denial about that for a while but can now finally admit it to myself. nothing she has written in the last two years has been special. only thing that gets close is Ai or Creamy Spicy. Ai-chan does not test her voice anymore, not even with sqeaky bits like rocket sneaker. did you see Cocco singing Kinuzure on Music Japan (i think), that is the kind of workout Ai used to give her voice.

however she may come good again, she has written some fantasic stuff in the past she definately has more to give.

on the dancing pon pon, i would take the starting point that all japanese girls can't dance. full stop. Namie Amuro is ok, all the rest, Koda, Ayumi are rubbish. my first ex-wife was jamaican. now those girls can dance!
 
LittleBigHeart
Posted: Apr 23, 2010 6:02 am Reply with quote
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I think ai's dance is nothing serious Tongue
Just see Chu-lip, and more recently lucky star, it's only fun ^^ !
Kataomoi Dial (Love is born 6th) was pretty good as dance lol. I think she dances like a child, her movements are disordered xD, but that's cuuuuuuuute ^^

But I don't think there is an impact in her music though. She didn't release new songs last year (except Is, but I mean as single), so Zokkondition/Lucky Star doesn't mean all her new singles will be like that Smile. Miku (another member here) think she will release two others singles before her next album. We can wait to see how it will be, perhaps u'll be surprise in a good way Wink

Edit : Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!! My post number is : 666
xDD Mad
 
Crystallas
Posted: Apr 23, 2010 6:17 am Reply with quote
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Your post makes no sense imo. Ai-chan makes pop-rock music, so obviousley that she doesn't have to dance well. She just dances some easy choreographies from time to time because it looks funny and her fans can dance with her at concerts.
 
pon pon
Posted: Apr 23, 2010 6:47 am Reply with quote
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@Calis
maybe you are right about Ayu. the few times i have seen concert footage of her she is surrounded by dancers and it all looks coordinated. but i am not really looking at what she is doing. i mentioned BoA because i know she has had dance training.

in the Chatmonchy Budokan concert, during one song the female guitarists do a sideways shuffle then turn to each other and alternately bob up and down. that was all the "dancing" in the concert. Laughing i looked in the credits for the choreographer. none. Tongue

i disagree with you about Ai's music getting weaker. i think LOVE LETTER is her best and most mature album to date. if you are making that observation based on Zokkondition/LUCKY☆STAR then i would remind you it is only one single. i didnt think CHU-LIP was a particularly strong release musically either.

as for her vocal ability, i have never thought she has an outstanding voice. she has a good voice and does very well with what she has. i must admit as i was watching the LOVE LETTER Arena concert for the first time and it came to Pocket, i was a bit apprehensive about how well she was going to go with it because there were a couple of TV performances she did where she faltered. but after it was done i admonished myself for doubting. such a controlled, confident delivery. the whole Arena concert is of an equally high standard.

i dont think she needs to push herself more vocally. she is not a diva. just sing as the song requires it. no need to contrive songs to demonstrate the extent of her vocal range.

i havent seen Cocco singing Kinuzure on Music Japan. i cant find it on streaming sites either. i did look at her PV for the song and it sounds like she has an expressive but quiet voice. i will mentally bookmark her. if i can suggest an artist to you in return it would be Salyu, particularly her concert performances. she has a great voice. another quality vocalist is KOKIA (who is clasically trained) but i prefer Salyu's music more.
 
Calis
Posted: Apr 23, 2010 8:27 am Reply with quote
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pon pon wrote:

i disagree with you about Ai's music getting weaker. i think LOVE LETTER is her best and most mature album to date.

Interesting, I will go and listen again.

pon pon wrote:

as for her vocal ability, i have never thought she has an outstanding voice.

I disagree, i think she is an outstanding female vocalist, soon as I heard her she went straight into my top three with Justine Baby Washington and Timi Yuro.

pon pon wrote:

i dont think she needs to push herself more vocally. she is not a diva. just sing as the song requires it. no need to contrive songs to demonstrate the extent of her vocal range.

Good point, there is nothing more sure to ruin a song than contrived diva-like vocals, it is just my impression that her earlier songs were far stronger vocally.

The Cocco performance is from Music Station 2009.09.11, from JPopsuki of course;
http://jpopsuki.eu/torrents.php?id=2316

She strains a bit on the vocal, but there is effort and emotion in the performance, reminded me of the first time i heard neko ni fusen.

I have some KOKIA, didn't really jump out at me when i first heard it, downloading Salyu now from JPopsuki.
 
1337rice
Posted: Apr 23, 2010 9:02 am Reply with quote
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I think instead of criticizing about her dance moves...we're criticizing her singing more now. I don't really care if she can or cannot dance, but this slump has started after she released Ai am Best and LOVE PiECE. 2007 was literally her true peak year, with high selling albums and winning 4 awards. A lot of the current songs just aren't as appealing as Renai Shashin, Yumekui, Planetarium, Kumuriuta, etc....it just lacks emotion. Songs like -Is-, Ai are some of the stuff that she needs more of, it's what she does best.

I blame it on her appearance...just seems a bit TOO wild now. I miss the casual stuff that she wears. Flower dresses, overalls, wacky hair and...other wacky dresses. The clothing she wore in the recent performance for Zokkondition @ CDTV is much better than the previous 2 performances. And seriously, bring back the NORMAL hair, I can't even tell if she's wearing a wig or not anymore...
 
LittleBigHeart
Posted: Apr 23, 2010 10:04 am Reply with quote
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1337rice wrote:
bring back the NORMAL hair, I can't even tell if she's wearing a wig or not anymore...


LOL. We don't even know if she has hair anymore under her wigs (blond, bronw, long hair...) ^^
 
chokokokoa
Posted: Apr 23, 2010 11:21 am Reply with quote
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LittleBigHeart wrote:
1337rice wrote:
bring back the NORMAL hair, I can't even tell if she's wearing a wig or not anymore...


LOL. We don't even know if she has hair anymore under her wigs (blond, bronw, long hair...) ^^
But you just said this. Tongue
 
LittleBigHeart
Posted: Apr 23, 2010 12:44 pm Reply with quote
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^ xD !
Yes u right...
But perhaps it was another secret wig Tongue
Seriously, I hope we'll see her real hair for 29th april on NHK hmm
 
Taxi
Posted: Apr 24, 2010 4:37 am Reply with quote
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Joined: 16 Aug 2009 Posts: 21 Location: USA
Well, gosh...

I have to disagree with some things. I hope it's okay to do that respectfully...

LUCKY STAR is a very odd PV, which looked like it required a lot of standing still for Ai so that the special effects could be added after the filming. There's some dancing, but not much. The PV is about the graphics and computer generated stuff, and Ai doesn't look like much of a dancer in this PV, mostly because that computer generated dancer really does move a LOT better with the music than Ai does. But can she dance? Yes, but more like a performer and less like she's dancing to the songs she does. Ai has great moves, and they're perfect for many of her songs, but they're performance moves instead of dance moves (which, as a performer, she should be doing those kinds of moves anyway). Her actions on stage during LOVE IS BORN 5th showcase her talent so well... especially when performing GIRLY and Mousou Chop.

And there's more...

I don't think LUCKY STAR is Ai's best single ever, but it's the best single out there in J-Pop at the moment (to me, anyway), and that says a lot about the hope I have for Ai to keep being a shining star for many years. There really is no better current artist. No one I like nearly as much. LOVE LETTER had great, great songs on it. They were just put in a song order that didn't place each song in it's best light. It doesn't flow well as an album... but if you take each song by itself, there's some great stuff there.

Ahh... that's my opinion, anyway. Hope I haven't hurt anybody's feelings....
 
Calis
Posted: Apr 24, 2010 9:58 am Reply with quote
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Taxi wrote:

I have to disagree with some things. I hope it's okay to do that respectfully...

I like it when people disagree with me, makes me look at my own view again, and i knew i would get some good feedback on here. It is always good to challenge one's own opinion.

I was suprised when pon pon declared LOVE LETTER was Ai's most mature album, however because of that i have decided to spend the day listening to LOVE LETTER again and then watching The Arena Tour. So far it is excellent.


Taxi wrote:

LOVE LETTER had great, great songs on it. They were just put in a song order that didn't place each song in it's best light. It doesn't flow well as an album... but if you take each song by itself, there's some great stuff there.

I am starting to agree with this. I will post my fuller thoughts on the album in appropriate topic.

Back to the dancing! and i am not being over critical, i know Ai is a singer songwriter and not a visual cabaret act like koda kumi. She has had some kawaii dances in the past, the pointy dance for Mossou-Chop, and the little soldier dance she does for Hanakima Jane in Ai am Best. But the Lucky Star dance is rubbish.

Japanese women are one of the wonders of the world, but they cannot dance, bless them. I find this funny if no-one else does!
 
LittleBigHeart
Posted: Apr 24, 2010 10:28 am Reply with quote
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^ Yeah, u should post ur love letter review ^^
It's still interresting Smile
 
1337rice
Posted: Apr 24, 2010 4:56 pm Reply with quote
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Calis wrote:

Japanese women are one of the wonders of the world, but they cannot dance, bless them. I find this funny if no-one else does!


oh yeah? Then explain Perfume, BoA (even if she's Korean, she's in the Japanese market for almost her entire career).....and even MAO ASADA (2010 Olympic Silver Medalist and 2010 World Champion)

Sure they're not the dances you see from the Korean side (a great example would be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LUgfQOxbGo&feature=related)
 
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