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| Rodri |
 Posted: May 24, 2010 11:09 pm |
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クラゲ, 流れ星
Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 13481
Location: Quito, Ecuador
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^Didn't she meant she isn't good at pronouncing the R in english?  |
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| chokokokoa |
| Posted: May 25, 2010 12:37 am |
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恋愛写真
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Posts: 1480
Location: Indoneshia
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Oh, I don't know, I haven't download the PodCast, just read what miyagosan wrote.  |
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| Smily in Seattle |
| Posted: May 25, 2010 12:13 pm |
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クラゲ, 流れ星
Joined: 20 May 2009
Posts: 3552
Location: Seattle, WA
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| ^ Maybe it's English. Most Japanese can not say this very well because it is not part of their native sounds,,, My wife hates that my name is Rob since everytime she tells someone it sounds like Lob and they always say, "excuse me?" |
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| pon pon |
| Posted: May 25, 2010 12:50 pm |
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クムリウタ
Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 985
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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^ i do not understand this. how can the "r" sound not be a native sound in the Japanese language when
- Ai is Rei in Tokyo Friends
- Ryuhei Matsuda plays Ren in NANA.
- the number 6 is roku
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| Crystallas |
| Posted: May 25, 2010 12:53 pm |
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クラゲ, 流れ星
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Posts: 10763
Location: Germany
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^ I think Smily is talking about the english / american 'R'  . |
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| pon pon |
| Posted: May 25, 2010 12:58 pm |
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クムリウタ
Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 985
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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| what is the phonetic difference between the two? |
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| woaini |
| Posted: May 25, 2010 1:12 pm |
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クラゲ, 流れ星
Joined: 14 Oct 2009
Posts: 15172
Location: Ky, USA
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| ^ the way Japanese roll their tongue to make the R sound sometimes sounds a little like an L sound from an american perspective .. i had this problem at first back before i started studying japanese language... when i listened to jpop i always thought they were saying L instead of R i would hear Hiakali instead of Hikari |
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| chokokokoa |
| Posted: May 25, 2010 2:36 pm |
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恋愛写真
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Posts: 1480
Location: Indoneshia
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It is a fact that for some non-native Japanese language speakers, the sound of "R" :
● sometimes sounds like "L"
● sometimes sounds like "N"
● sometimes sounds as "R" itself
For example :
● for "L" : you will sometimes hear "Laamen", but sometimes as "Raamen (ラーメン)" itself.
● for "R" : you will always hear "Wareware (我々)", there is no "Walewale" and "Wanewane".
I can't give example for "N"-like sound, but if you learn Japanese language furthermore, you will find it. |
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| Rodri |
| Posted: May 25, 2010 5:30 pm |
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クラゲ, 流れ星
Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 13481
Location: Quito, Ecuador
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@ponpon: For latin language speakers it's also difficult to pronounce the R you english speakers do haha
There's 3 sounds of the R (4 if you count the "L" Japanese sound)
- The "normal" R that is pronounced by rolling your tongue against your palate...this is the common r is japanese and latin languages.
- The guttural R that is pronounced by vibrating your tongue against the palate really fast...(Like if you were imitating the motor of a car RRRRRR ) it's very common in Spanish...In French it sounds something like "g" .
I've heard some japanese using this kind of R when they scream xD
- The English R. While the normal r in other languages is made by rolling the tongue against the palate, when english speakears pronounce the r they just roll it without touching the palate. |
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| LittleBigHeart |
| Posted: May 25, 2010 5:39 pm |
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ユメクイ
Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Posts: 1185
Location: France, Lyon
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^ I'm french, what do u mean with "In French it sounds something like "g" xDD
Our R sounds like "g" ? |
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| Rodri |
| Posted: May 25, 2010 5:46 pm |
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クラゲ, 流れ星
Joined: 14 Mar 2007
Posts: 13481
Location: Quito, Ecuador
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^Well..I know in some parts of France it doesn't sound like G...
But for us foreigners..your R has a sound resembling a G It's not the same of a G but it sounds similar
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| mizuno121 |
| Posted: May 25, 2010 6:15 pm |
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Planetarium
Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 653
Location: Tabasco Mexico
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I think it is more like an spanish " j"
the diference between the english,spanish and french r is that the english r is pronounced in the middle of the mouth, the spanish r is pronounced in the front of the mouth and the french r is pronounced in the throat.
japanese people get confused with the R and L because it is almost the same sound
just listen to Aya Hirano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCDPJpTiXUo
Hasta ra prokshima |
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| azurejan |
| Posted: May 26, 2010 2:06 am |
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金魚花火
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
Posts: 162
Location: Hong Kong
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^ my honey learnt Japanese 20 years, but i found my honey's pronunciation of ら り る れ ろ are different from my Japanese teacher. my honey said "Just forget them, even native Japanese mixed them up", i stunned 
if you get lost about pronunciation of " r " and " n ", then you will find epic failure when you try to learn Canton Chinese, see this table. Some said the most difficult language is Arabic language, the second is Cantonese. Unlike many other languages, Cantonese is a dialect, one third of words have NO characters. 
I just want to ask those who know French and Japanese, which one is easier to learn? |
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| LittleBigHeart |
| Posted: May 26, 2010 3:58 am |
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ユメクイ
Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Posts: 1185
Location: France, Lyon
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Ummm... Someone who learn both should answer, but to my mind, japanese is easier in a way.
EDIT : In fact, it depends where u come from xD. I guess french is easier because it's a latin language, so for european, it's easier, but japanese must be better for asians. |
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| chokokokoa |
| Posted: May 26, 2010 11:16 am |
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恋愛写真
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Posts: 1480
Location: Indoneshia
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No, no, LittleBigHeart, Japanese language is very very difficult. Even for Asian people, except Japanese people. 
The conjugation of the verb is like a formula, but I like it. |
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