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| LinLin-Sama |
 Posted: Nov 18, 2006 1:43 am |
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In Germany , there are hundreds of people who just discriminate Religion. And I bet that that' not only in Germany. To be honest I'm quite sick and tired of discrimination. We had it before and I think that it's enough. We all believe in One GOD and as long as we believe in a God or we do good then it's not some reason for religious discrimination.
I have a friend whoose Religion is not allowed in this Country or to be exact , The founder of her Religion is not allowed in this country. Why?! Because the people consider her Religion as a sect?! I think that's not fair. I thought in a land of democracy people were allowed to believe what they wanted to believe. It doesn't really matter if you are Moslem, Buddhist, Christian or not. We are all people who have the right to choose what they want to believe in.
I want to stop Religious Discrimination. I hope you guys write your comments here.
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| KerushiiAi |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 1:50 am |
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Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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wow, you're brave to post something like this. it could get a lot of controversy...
in america, it's not too bad (or at least i don't think so...) because it's so diverse. there are many different religions present in america  and it's a good thing. 
right now, i currently don't know what to believe. 
in the past 3 mos, 4 people in my small town have passed away. 2 were fathers of a couple of my peers, and the other 2 were high school graduates from last year. the first graduating class of my high school 
one of their funerals was held today, in fact.
i feel that a lot of people in my area are in the same situation as me. we just don't know what to believe anymore 
if there is a god, why would he punish us so?  |
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| davedim |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 1:52 am |
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I totally agree!
I actually converted to Theravada Buddhism, which my parents don't approve of at all, with both of them being right-wing protestant Christians.
I have to say though, we don't "all believe in one god". 
I don't worship any god, actually.
I have to say, I think it's horrible that any government can ban a religion. |
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| .::carlito::. |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 1:54 am |
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クラゲ, 流れ星
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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You're a very brave person to post this thing. I did this project on school about social injustice and decided to do it on Japan. I noticed that back in the day the Canadians used the Japanese as tools to get themselves away from trouble. It's a sad thing. Religions are big matters alright, but we are all equal people. We should be treated fairly with respect. Like on Ch-Ai, do you see anyone discriminating? No. We should treat people fair as we treat our fellow companions fairly.
Yet again, you're a very brave person to point out this type of discrimination.
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| JRockLove667 |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 2:53 am |
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桃ノ花ビラ
Joined: 08 Nov 2006
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA
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LinLin-Sama wrote: We all believe in One GOD and as long as we believe in a God or we do good then it's not some reason for religious discrimination.
Minor point: Not everyone believes in one God. Some believe in many Gods, others believe in none. One of my friends had a dream and now he believes in 64 Gods, and he wrote his own book about it in a language he created. Pretty sweet, actually.
Anyways, I completely agree with everything else. I believe people should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt another person, animal, or property. Why does it matter to anyone what religion someone else practices? That just ridiculous. I just wanna yell, "Mind your own business!!"
Although I am a Catholic, I just want everyone to be happy and believe whatever they want to, and I would never force my beliefs on them. I understand that people have grown up with different values than I have, and I completely respect that. The idea of trying to control someone else's religious beliefs is completely foriegn to me, and it's ridiculous! GO RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE!!! |
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| LightDay |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 5:03 am |
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大好きだよ。
Joined: 11 Nov 2006
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Location: Water Seven
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For me, religions are just like food. Different people have different taste. Some like rice, some like bread, some like potato. If u like rice, it doesn't mean bread and potato are bad. They are equally good in that it gives u energy from eating it, just that different people have different preferences. Same as religions, some believe in this, some believe in that. I believe in Buddhism doesn't mean Christianity, Islam or others are bad. As long as they are for us to believe in and help us live good, that's enough. I never know if religions are meant to be forced.
@KerushiiAi: I don't really get what u mean by punishing. Do u mean the death? I thought that is bound to happen to all being. |
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| Mansley |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 5:59 am |
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agreed. freedom of religion, i believe that is a constitutional right in america.
oftentimes i don't feel like that is the case. i am content not believing in a god. but so many campus groups and crazy religious fanatics are always prowling around trying to convert me while i'm heading to class and i just want to ignore them but it's hard because it makes me feel bad.
not to mention even though religion and government are supposed to be separate in america...i feel christianity is way to dominant and oftentimes it has considerable influence even from within the government.
ok sorry to make a post completely about america...but one thing i would like to note...about your post linlin...is that i don't think being a democracy necessarily makes it a country where you have religious freedom. those are separate, however i do believe germany is a country where there is religious freedom, officially. but i don't know exactly...so i could be wrong. |
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| kei |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 8:28 am |
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大好きだよ。
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i don't know a lot about religion, and don't have any image on how is discrimination of religion. maybe this is because i don't have any experience on this one. what i have is just when order some food in the street. the owner make me no2 (i came first, but get the food later than the late customer).
thus, i don't have any religion, altough it is written in my IC card. what i think is the important things is not the religion, but our behaviour.
anyway, i get confused by some religion that don't allow someone to marry with other whose religion is different. and the wife/husband to push his/her mate to change his/her religion. |
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| LinLin-Sama |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 9:09 am |
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It's nice that you replied to this matter I posted. I don't really know why you say I'm brave. I'm just sick and tired of people who mock other religions just because they are a "sect" or just out of fun.
I think they should get to hear the doctrines first before they judge. We all are people, I know you know that and even if we don't believe in ONE God just as I mentioned before, we are all aware of what is good and what is bad. As long as a religion upholds to the good I think it's best we just respect that religion. I just hate it when people laugh about my friends religion, calling it weird and stupid. It's not fair to the members of those church. I think it's time that the German government.... ok not only the German Government, but also the world changes. I wish that everyone be a non discriminating person (Like the memebers here in channel-ai).
JUST STOP DISCRIMINATION ! NO MATTER WHAT AREA.
To Kerushii Ai:
People are ment to die. If they die it's just because God wants to end their sufferings here on earth.
Thank you so much for your responses. to those reading.... I hope you continue to state your opinions about this topic and maybe show support against Religious discrimination. |
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| Livare |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 9:16 am |
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Joined: 28 Oct 2006
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While I'm not really into religion, its ideology and that stuff, I respect people who are.
I attend to a christian school, sweet irony. This year I had a few runs with a teacher, and some other guy from my classroom (who I think's an idiot, but that's another story). The teacher, who apparently found "unrespectful" of me to say I'm an atheist and gently asked me to leave the classroom (which I didn't) and that other dude who hates atheists by default. Oh dear.
As I said, I don't care about their beliefs, I respect them, and I get along pretty well with religious people. But stuff like that is just lame and stupid, IMO. And yes, this thread could cause controversy 
(NP: Kamelot - Center Of The Universe)
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| LinLin-Sama |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 9:23 am |
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| Oh so I'm brave enough to face controversy?! How could a thread like this cause controversy?! Ok I know Religion is a big matter, but hey It really is not justice to just discriminate religion. Duh?! |
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| LightDay |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 1:28 pm |
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大好きだよ。
Joined: 11 Nov 2006
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Location: Water Seven
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U are right, Lin Lin-Sama. Voice out ur opinion about this is nothing wrong. But people tend to avoid this kind of sensitive topic, because when there are people with very strong self-religion oriented see something about this and start arguing. Without proper control, this kind of topic can turn into a debate, and can go out of control very easily, because religion is a personal matter to everyone and so others' opinions are always hard to be accepted.
I am not trying to say religious ppl are irrational, BUT when u get into it too much that u think others are wrong without even really understanding them, then ur head might not be thinking clearly enough. I wonder if those who try to convert others into their own religion ever considered that others are in the same shoes as they are. Talk to them about ur religion is good, but forcing them to understand is disrespecting. Just try to imagine others forcing u and how u feel about it.
Alright, i guess i go a bit wide off the topic there, but that's my opinion because i was approached sooo many times by ppl trying to convert me. I respect and understands ur religion, but i have my own, why can't u respect me as well? By saying ur religion is better without a proper understanding of others don't u think is a bit unfair?
I guess misunderstanding is a big problem in today's religious world. If only everyone understands properly others' religion, i don't think this kind of discrimination would happen. And honestly, does God teach u to force others against their own will? |
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| Jester |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 2:17 pm |
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JRockLove667 wrote: GO RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE!!!
I totally agree. Best. Cheer. Ever. 
Ah, this topic. I don't know how many debates, in some cases fights, I've gotten into regarding the touchy touchy topic of religion. I'm thankful to have such a diverse group of friends and have seen what they have to show. I have friends deep rooted into their respective religion, some who don't care, and some who really don't know what to think. But my closest group of friends take the conversation in this direction: religion is dangerous. Here's their argument: religion is good because it usually instills good values in people and gives them hope and a feeling that their lives have a sense of guidance, but religion causes so much trouble and turmoil between opposing factions that it's borderline not worth it. With correct parenting and a good upbringing you can pass on important values to you children. Hope and destiny are another topic that would take forever to talk about so I'll save you the time, we decided to taboo those words. After much deliberation and contemplating they actually got to me a little. This didn't flat out change my look on Christianity, which I was a part of at the time, but it just got me thinking. Four years later I finally made the conscious decision of being atheist or if we're talking about creationism Darwinist. Don't get me wrong, I don't look down on anyone who believes in religion and I don't force my beliefs on anyone else but I'll always give them my two cents if they'll give me the time of day; just to get them thinking. |
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| KerushiiAi |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 4:43 pm |
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Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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bravo, Jester
indeed, religion is a highly touchy subject. only because of those (i don't wanna say crazy...) people who are just trapped so deep in, that they can't see others around them. they're so caught up in their own religion, they don't even try to understand others'. in history class, we were learning about religions a little while ago. my group was assigned buddhism. i thought it was a very fascinating subject. it's not really a religion, but more of a philosophy. however, the internet put everything quite bluntly, and i know there are buddhists here, and if they could explain to me about this whole "suffering" thing, that'd be great.
and, i know everyone is going to die eventually, but why so soon? the first girl that died hadn't even officially began her freshman year of college. and the second, just began hers on a basketball scholarship, then her life was cut short. i just think that it's so unfair that there are people out there wasting their lives doing drugs and being lowlifes, when people with so much potential are cut down before they even reach age 20
why is their a 50 year old homeless person who spends his day littering a city, while a 19 year old college freshman on full basketball scholarship is killed in a car accident? it doesn't make sense to me! |
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| davedim |
| Posted: Nov 18, 2006 5:37 pm |
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KerushiiAi, I have to say that I totally disagree with what you just said about the "50 year old homeless person littering a city". Is that really what you think?
That in itself is a form of discrimination.
We should be compassionate towards all humans, regardless of age and social standing.
I understand that you might have been upset by the death of someone so young, but to suggest that the homeless don't deserve to live... that's just horrible.
I might have misunderstood though. If so, then I apologise.
And the suffering thing in Buddhism is complicated, but I'll try to explain.
These are The Four Noble Truths. They were the first statement of Buddha following his enlightenment:
1. Life means suffering.
2. The origin of suffering is attachment.
3. The cessation of suffering is attainable.
4. The only path to the cessation of suffering is the Eightfold Path.
The Eightfold Path is really hard to explain, and if you are interested in learning more, then I could PM you. I don't want to go way off topic.  |
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