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Ai the next J-POP Queen?

Yeah

44%

After Ayumi's done

31%

Probably not

15%

Naw

Total Votes : 219

Essie

Posted: Jan 15, 2007 11:07 pm

甘えんぼ

Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 55

If we're talking versatility and dimensions, I think BoA has the most potential. Ai is always romantic, girly, and cute, Koda Kumi is always sexy, womanly, and flirtatious; BoA tends to switch between different ones on different releases and constantly change her image.

But I think BoA is out of the picture unless she gives up her Korean career Shifty

because honestly, "Jpop Queen" demands steady flow of releases and constant media attention (like Koda Kumi's massive amount of releases this year) and there's just not enough time for her to do major promotions in both countries. Sad

H_e_a_r_t

Posted: Jan 15, 2007 11:23 pm

さくらんぼ

Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 43

Ahh, Ayumi...has a different style. People that like her will probably wont like Ai too much? I like them both, personally, i think Ai is better in voice and song-wise. Everyone said Ayumi is pretty ... but i think Ai is prettier, maybe just me though.

ayumiko

Posted: Jan 16, 2007 10:06 pm

桃ノ花ビラ

Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 9

Ayu is my fav artist and I also like Ai too...so if there is to be the next jpop queen, I would love to see Ai be one but maybe after Ayu. I recently became a fan of Ai because of her music. My first purchase from her is her LOVE COOK TOUR dvd and I just love seeing her play the piano Nod

My fav cd from her is also LOVE COOK...with her musical talent, I really want her to be more popular than she already is...she definitely deserve it...but in reality...Koda have the higher chance with her changing image and sales...I always think Avex is trying really hard to make Koda another Ayu...there is a pattern...

Besides Ayu, Ai is the only other artist that could make me go in tears with her music... Crying

oh and for those who doesnt know, Ayu composes some of her songs too and most of them became huge hits like M, evolution, etc besides writing lyrics to all her songs. She won the Best lyric award at the Japan Record Awards for her song SEASONS. She composes under the name CREA (one of her dog's name) so she is not that untalented like some say. Nod

Tan Allan

Posted: Jan 18, 2007 12:42 am

さくらんぼ

Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 43 Location: Malaysia

Ofcoz Ai is the next JPOP Queen.....coz Ayumi song is kinda old/out....I'm bored everytime heard Ayumi song...I click Ai's song immediately...
oh ya... 1 more thing...Y is JPOP Queen?...Princess of JPOP is sound batter...Queen is sound like... old...hahaha Laughing

.::carlito::.

Posted: Jan 18, 2007 12:49 am

クラゲ, 流れ星

Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 3609 Location: Melbourne, Australia

It's hard to judge who you want the queen to be because most singers have different personas. Like what Essie said here, Ayumi is unique, Ai is cute and well, my favourite, Kumi is sexy, BoA is image-changing.

But y'know media, they like to pick the ones who get more attention, Kumi for instance. But no matter how popular and sexy Kumi is, I still believe in Ai getting the top spot. She will, someday, with my faith put in there, I believe she can reach that spot. Nod

babevi

Posted: Jan 18, 2007 3:05 pm

甘えんぼ

Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 50 Location: ATX-TP

I love AI and everything, but I don't think she will become queen of JPOP. JPOP girls are more like Ayu and Koda, with different styles and images. Sexiness and womanhood are pretty much a large percentage of a JPOP queen. AI is cute, girly, her music is great, but more of a bubblegum-pop-rock stuff, not a general genre for JPOP girls. I don't really like Ayu or Koda, but they have their places in JPOP industry.

Impracticable

Posted: Jan 24, 2007 3:44 pm

さくらんぼ

Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 39

Ayumi = Empress of J-Pop [She is the best selling Female artist ever in Japan, after all ...]

Ai = Queen of J-Pop [i lvoe ai =]]

LOVE-chan = Princess of J-pop and Empress of Animated Godessness!

hikaru520

Posted: Feb 28, 2007 1:02 am

甘えんぼ

Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 63 Location: Singapore

babevi wrote:

Yup yup ai is more like the gal nxt door....it will be quite hard for her to be name QUEEN of POP Smile

Nevertheless as long as her music is nice....i believe all ai chan's fan will be happi le....

Proto

Posted: Mar 02, 2007 7:40 am

甘えんぼ

Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 80 Location: Hong Kong

I think, i terms of musical talent, Ai would be the top candidate. However, in terms of performing power, maybe the likes of BoA would be the top candidate. BoA and Ai are very different singers, each holding a special position, really. Ai is more sort of like a real "singer" while BoA is more sort of an idol. To become the Queen, ideally she should have both the talent to sing and the ability to idolise her image. BoA is slightly closer to that, but Ai has her own style in terms of making an idol out of herself, just look at Love, her rabbit.

All in all, I really have no idea, BoA is a likely candidate, I used to listen to her songs but i stopped until about Merikuri where i resumed listening to her songs but I wasn't as interested in her songs anymore. They just...couldn't compare to the days of No.1 and Valenti, IMO.

orange_ka

Posted: Mar 02, 2007 9:22 am

ユメクイ

Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 1117 Location: *mentally in: yamapi/keita's world*

Proto wrote:

I agree to what you said...not that BoA can't sing, because I think her singing ability is awesome. but its seems like BoA has more of a "style" created by avex. ai-chan to me, is more towards the "composing" style...which is not really matching with Jpop queen. Tongue

Rinoa

Posted: Mar 02, 2007 10:16 am

クムリウタ

Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 2039 Location: Europe

BoA was designed to be a top artist - I mean all her releases are set to be mainstream and attract the attention of the majority of the audience. However this is wearing out thin from the looks of it. In the end a pop artist cannot remain on top with catchy songs only and sad ballads which are completely unrelated to the artist. That's why BoA's success in Japan is slowly dwindling and she'll never ever be a J-Pop Queen but the Korean wonder. BoA only releases what her producers tell her to release and rarely is involved in the creative process. She's got the image and the voice but personally I feel she doesn't have a strong character and the creative flair to support the queen image.

Ai managed to become a special and respected artist because she is extremely talented and creative. She can draw, play piano & guitar, compose, write lyrics, act..and hell I bet she has loads of other hidden talents we have no idea about. However she just loves doing her own thing and isn't keen on being mainstream or super popular. She just loves having fun releasing her music and having these weird and original concepts but obviously this will never be fully accepted in the mainstream Japan. In fact Ai is not into top fashion and is frequently featured in those alternative-fashion magazines. I have a feeling Ai will always sell well but she'll never be a queen, because being mainstream is so not her and she'd hate it.

Ayumi Hamasaki realised that with catchy songs you can only be a temporary diva and so she started giving creative input. She learnt how to compose, wrote all of her songs, promoted herself as a fashion role-model and was in control of everything, even the fonts in a release. She released original and bizarre styles and videos to create a transgressive atmosphere and keeps on recreating her image over and over again. Ayumi can be sexy, emotional, cute and agressive. She can manage to be anyone because she knows how to manipulate fashion and create her own fashion trend without looking like another mindless sheep who wears whatever her stylist gives her or what is in fashion. A queen of J-Pop is not only "a person who sings" but she is also a role model who people look up to and admire on many aspects. Ayumi Hamasaki is such a person and that's her secret to her success. Ayumi might not be the most vocally gifted or the most talented person, but she has struggled extremely hard and sacrificed it all to create this diva image of herself. People might hate her or ridicule her, because they're jealous or simply stupid, but in the end Ayumi has shaped modern J-Pop and also modern fashion and will forever be a person who walked on her own rules and managed to make millions follow her throughout Asia.

Her replacement? I doubt anyone will manage to break her records - but maybe someday some strong minded artist will do so too but from the artists I'm observing lately, I haven't seen anyone who can match up to the Queen image of Hamasaki. Koda Kumi might try by selling off and pretending to be this and that but to be honest, I can only see her as a poor imitation of Hamasaki. Her fashion sense is just horrible and her creative attempts are unimpressive. Ayu's first composition "M" was a huge hit while Kumi's "Yume no Uta" was a mediocre release. Kumi just hasn't got it in her to be a diva, she'll always be "that sexy singer". She has tried creating new images of her which were a complete disaster. C'mon Kumi's not cute or demure... the sexy image is the only image which fits her well. She has the voice but I'm sorry to say that's all she has.

sakuraangel

Posted: Mar 02, 2007 3:07 pm

クラゲ, 流れ星

Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 8011 Location: Canada

^I have to say this. That was a damn good analysis you just wrote of BoA, Ayumi, Koda and Ai. Great post to read.

I personally don't think Ai will ever be a J-pop Queen. It's not because she's not talented enough. If anything she's too talented/creative to fit a pop queen description. And more so, I believe a queen of any genre of music (doesn't even matter what kind of country) has this air of Diva attitude about her. And frankly I can't see Ai being a Diva.

Ai strikes me more of an artist whom is more hands on with her career and doing what she wants rather than what record companies or what media and music critics want from her. Don't get me wrong though, I still think she'll listen to their feedback as well as fans but in the end she'll make her own choices about what she wants.

Shinji

Posted: Mar 02, 2007 5:41 pm

さくらんぼ

Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 47 Location: Italy - Rome

Quote:

Ai managed to become a special and respected artist because she is extremely talented and creative. She can draw, play piano & guitar, compose, write lyrics, act..

can she play guitar??really? i didn't know... Embarassed

I don't like Ayumi (except few songs)and i don't really care anything but music skills in a musicians...so you might have an amazing sense of fashion and make-up, remarkable managerial ability or anything else but i'll judge you only thru your music! Ayu can't sing...i know,you don't need to have a marvelous voice to sing but i claim fundamental skills. Ayu is completely out of tune (elctronic drills say the truth!) and her voice is quite "strange" (?)
Which is the modern shape of J-pop??? Probably a westernized shape! Japanese often ignore many good bands/singer just because they try to sing something different from us!
[Me:"hey, Kagrra has a great sounds!!" - jfriends:" uh kagrra? nevet heard, i listened only *** (stupid western kids who try to play an instrument but poorly fail )"]
It's the same with yumi! people, who listen to her music for the first time,often say "who is? a kind of japanese version of britney??" i mean, her music can add little value to our pop, she's just introduced western pop style in japan. I respect people who like ayu but not glorify her too much She's struggled to become "Hamasaki Ayumi" but ,in the 90s, jpop was less competitive and people still had a lot of interest in idol industry and that's helped ayu! if she started her career nowadays, probably she wouldn't have the same results.
...koda kumi is even worst!

Otsuka-chan is firstly a "musician"; her music has a lot less western influence and shows a quite original style!i mean it's OK if you're a good singer but if you also have something new to say it's even better Smile

Addictionaly she's other talents...

However i also think "she isn't keen on being mainstream or super popular" (cit.)and i hope this'll never change because less popularity might means more quality!

Rinoa

Posted: Mar 02, 2007 7:16 pm

クムリウタ

Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 2039 Location: Europe

You are so biased. A diva is not only musical skills. Many artists are talented musically but they shall never be divas because there's also the image and the creativity.

Ayu can't sing? Which planet were you born? Honestly I'm sick of some people saying she can't sing because Ayu certainly has the vocals. If you don't like it that's fine but saying she can't sing is completely untrue and biased. Ever heard JEWEL? It's a piano solo song and there's no "el(e)ctronic drills" and she sings it quite well. I suggest checking out her live performances before spewing fake things like she can't sing.

Ayumi Hamasaki has spent ages training vocally and she also has a load of musical talent. Did you know she writes the lyrics of every single song she releases? I don't know if you're some lyric genius but it takes a lot of talent to write lyrics and Ayu's lyrics are extremely well written. Also Ayu has composed many songs under the name CREA, which are extremely good. Sorry but your point is invalid. Ayu is also a musician as Ai is. Ayu has loads of musical talent and she works hard at the creative input of her songs. Did you know that she spends her time checking every tiny aspect of her releases to make sure that they're at the best quality ever? Also even if she hates dancing, she's spent a lot of time learning the choreography of her dance pvs to the point that her legs are still bruised from her latest Coundown Live.

You must realise that she has such a high status because she has worked extremely hard in her life to get where she is. She almost got deaf to make her fans happy and is still sufferring because of it. I hate it when people go on a hate-rant because Ayu is popular. So what? She deserves it. Try doing all that Ayu did in her lifetime to get where she is if you think she had it so easy. Give me a freaking break and get educated about Hamasaki's career before saying untrue claims.

Plus Japan has been westernizing itself for a long while so I won't go blaming it on Ayu. Let me give you a newsflash, J-Pop is predominantly Western so don't go around claiming Ayu copied Western music or anything. Namie, TRF and others had started the west thing. Ayu just experimented with different genres. Original Japanese music is mostly folk/enka and and last time I checked Ai doesn't sing enka. Ai's music to a point is also predominantly "western" so your claim that Ai's music is "Japanese" is fake since J-Pop is western and Ai sings J-Pop so your so-claimed originality is not so original. Ai's originality actually rises from composing alternative pop-rock and how she has merged her talents in her releases. Also Ayu is so far from Britney Spears so I'm confused about how you believe she sounds like her. Try explaining this to me.

Sorry but you never know if she made her debut now, if she wouldn't be just as popular. If you're gonna claim something be sure to research carefully. She had loads of competition during her debut and also after: Namie Amuro, Ami Suzuki, Hikaru Utada. Ever heard her huge competition with Utada back then when she was rising? No Ayu didn't have it easy as you think. It was hugely competitive back then too.

There are some underappreciated artists but it's because they experiment with non-popular genres which will never make it on top or they just don't have it in them to be a diva. Also not all artists are well promoted as avex/sony artists are so it's obvious that they won't sell or be popular. Most sales derive from promotion. Most artists decide all they care is that they do their thing and not to sell well. Fine for them but don't expect them to become a diva and everyone to worship them because their style is appreciated by a selected percentage, which is pretty small. Also I suggest being tolerant instead of calling people "stupid" because they are not crazy over the artist you like.

Finally less popularity might mean more quality thing is not so valid. Artists still need some sort of popularity to have a decent budget and team to have the nice pvs and photoshoots they get and the promotion their record label shells. Money doesn't grow from trees you know.

caffeinated

Posted: Mar 02, 2007 7:41 pm

クムリウタ

Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 362 Location: Vancouver, CA.

I agree with both Shinji and Rinoa.
It's true that Ayu doesn't have the best vocals, she is sometimes out of tune during live performances; but that doesn't mean she can't sing. Ayu can very well sing and she has her own unique style. The thing that made her the J-POP queen is not only musical skills, it's a combination of musical skills, style, creativity, independence, and many other things Ayu worked extremely hard to achieve. It's completely wrong to say that she has it easy. Ayu's early life, career, and her current life, are by no means easy.

There are certainly many many talented artists out there, and I'm sure there are people more talented musically than Ayu out there; but like I said, it takes more than musical talent to become a J-POP queen. Shinji, it's all good that you don't really like mainstream music or you feel popularity might compromise quality, but this thread IS for talking about who has the J-POP queen qualities. ^^;

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