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| Tdclarke |
 Posted: Oct 24, 2007 7:30 am |
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金魚花火
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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@xiaolingkia:
Well like I said I don't really keep up with modern music, so the only ones I am exposed to is the really popular ones seen on TV, etc (like you said, the highly published ones).
I would always be willing to hear more music, so any recommendations would be appreciated! 
Mmmm....not sure about the Ramones myself - I can listen to a few of their tracks, but I'm not an avid fan. Still, I too love the 60s, 70s, 80s and some 90s music! Some amazing artists emerged throughout those years!
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| xiaolingkia |
| Posted: Oct 24, 2007 11:15 pm |
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Planetarium
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Oh, i'd be more than happy to recommend some good contemporary music!
Death Cab for Cutie, if you're into alternative music
Sum 41, if you're into punk rock
Jack's Mannequin, if you're into alternative pop rock
Let me know what you think=) And if you have any recommendations as well, that'd be cool(: |
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| parasol |
| Posted: Oct 27, 2007 12:49 pm |
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Happy Days
Joined: 31 May 2007
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| Yeah, I also seem to live under a rock when it comes to American music. -_- I tend to listen to older stuff (90's and earlier) because all that I was exposed to afterwards on VH1 and things was hip hop, which I don't care for that much. Maybe just because it was overplayed, though. |
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| KerushiiAi |
| Posted: Oct 28, 2007 2:45 am |
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ポケット
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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Location: USA
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Like the rest of you, I don't really listen to new new music, except maybe a few select songs from a few select artists.  I listen more to 90's and early 2000's music, because lately American music has just gotten so...eww. 
It really isn't music, like the rest of you have sort of indirectly said *cough*Tom*cough*  And I agree. Also, fewer and fewer popular pop artists are writing their own music or lyrics! Sure, some write their lyrics, but not many. And only bands write their own music anymore.
But again, this is just a generalization.
And when I openly diss American music, you can assume I'm probably referring to hip-hop/rap music.
Sorry, some of them have lyrics with a meaning, ok, I'll give it that. But the vast majority of what's "popular" is, like the rest of you mentioned, vulgar and sex-driven. It's completely demeaning and I don't like it.  It makes boys jerks and perverts. |
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| xiaolingkia |
| Posted: Oct 28, 2007 4:58 am |
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Planetarium
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| i agree with you totally kerushii! i'm not a big fan of hip-hop and rap, because most of them are really all demeaning to women and full of mature themes. i see some of those videos on MTV and i get really disgusted with those scantily-clad women dancing around the singers. it has no link with the songs most of the time and it's just unhealthy for kids to watch! i think the 90s and early 2000s have been a pretty innocent era for music. pop music can be slightly cheesy, but i admit that there's a little kid inside me that has a weakness for them. i'm sure most of us wouldnt mind some cheesy 90s pop music occasionally! |
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| october |
| Posted: Oct 28, 2007 5:08 am |
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大好きだよ。
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Posts: 266
Location: America
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I don't really listen to the radio or American music so much anymore, but nearly everyone else in my house does, so I know some songs anyway.
To me, the reason why most mainstream songs are centered around sex is because most mainstream artists are just about selling, and sex sells. It's sometimes the same in Japan too, so why only criticise America? I think I'd be confident with saying that even in Japan, the majority of real talent came from bands/artists in the indies.
In case of Japan, I hate a lot of the mainstream rock they play, especially VISUAL.
I hate the generic vocals, the costumes, and most of the fangirls (here anyway) that care nothing about the music and only how cute the frontman is.
It's not like American music is the only music "plagued" with vulgar or sex-driven music. If you ask me, most of Koda Kumi's image is based on sex. Koda Kumi "Imasugu Hoshii" and Amuro Namie "WANT ME, WANT ME" are both explicit songs. Kumi's song even got banned in South Korea for having such explicit lyrics.
As for rap, I don't see it as any more of a bad influence than any other genre on the radio these days. Rock can have a negative effect on people too. I think the majority of American mainstream music isn't focused so much on music anymore, whether it's rock/alt, pop/R&B or rap/hip-hop. As much as in one mood I would be bothered by a song talking about naked women gyrating on the floor of a nightclub, I would be bothered in another mood by people singing about having their throats/wrists/whatever slit and later apologizing for bleeding on a shirt or whatever, or something with nothing but loud drums and shrill screaming.
Some songs people want to think to, some songs people want to dance or party to, some songs people want to cry to. There's a different song for a different mood, and not every song has to have a meaning to it. Most of the random songs that don't are fun because they don't have a true meaning, they're just for fun. Even Otsuka's "Katorisenkou". After someone who previously didn't know the translation has read it, does the song make them "think" about the meaning? If an American wrote a song about a mosquito, I'm pretty sure some people would call it stupid and not having a real meaning. When you slap so many rules to music, it's like telling someone that there is only one absolute way to do art, and I'm pretty sure someone like Picasso would have ignored you.
Also, before anyone thinks I'm attacking anyone, I'm not. ><
Just stating my own views. I don't want to start a conflict or anything, just wondering.
I listen to all genres, and have found both good and bad in every genre I've listened to, in nearly every language I've listened to. Yes, I agree that most of what's played on the radio in America nowadays isn't so swell, but I don't think American music as a whole is bad, because there is a lot of American music that doesn't get played on the radio that is awesome. |
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| xiaolingkia |
| Posted: Oct 29, 2007 6:52 am |
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Planetarium
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Yes, on the same side as October. As what I have also said, there are actually many not-so-well-known bands out there who have really awesome music with meaningful lyrics.
YESSSS!!! I AGREE about the teenyboppers who only listen to music because the frontman is hot/cute. it's just plain stupid. I mean, if you enjoy the music and you happen to find a band member hot, that's just fine. it's like a little extra bonus, actually=P
ditto about the wrist-slitting and other unhealthy themes. these are just as bad as sexual-themed music. as October says that there are different styles and mood to different kinds of songs, i'd agree yet disagree. I think when someone is old enough to understand things, it's fine for them to listen to it. but the fact that MTV plays it on TV and kids watch it and learn unhealthy things from it, that's not cool. i'm not one who'd say that songs about meaningless stuff like mosquitoes are stupid, in fact, i think it'd be fun!=)
another problem i have with is people who listen to the music for the sake of doing so. it's because their friends are doing it and i think they're treating music like it's a trend to follow. that's not cool. It's not cool to just support a band because they're the "in" thing, or claim to be a "cool punk rock chick" who "listens to rock music" even though you don't. it's just plain silly=( |
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| KerushiiAi |
| Posted: Oct 29, 2007 10:06 pm |
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ポケット
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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@ October
You're right, it isn't just America. Yeah, I don't like Kumi, or others that use their body to sell their music. I mean, if your music is any good, you shouldn't need your body to sell it. There are plenty of people who aren't amazingly gorgeous who's music is good, and it sells. Maybe not as well (sadly) but it does.
@ xiaoling
Haha, an extra bonus But you're right, it is a nice bonus. But that's why I like to listen to a band before I see a photo of them, this makes sure that their looks don't affect my judgment. I listen to music for the meaning and the sound, and because I like it.
Yeah, I'll agree that there is a mood for each song. However, you must agree that an 11 year old should never have a mood that makes them want to listen to a song about "naked women gyrating on the floor of a nightclub" as you so nicely put it, October
Also, you're right, the songs about people cutting themselves and such are harmful as well as the sex-driven songs.  I don't like to think about kids listening to this music because their minds get so warped...I mean, seriously, all the guys in my grade who listen to rap/hip hop are completely vulgar and stupid. It's like they expect girls to drape themselves all over them. And the sad thing is, the girls who listen to that music, actually do!  That part disgusts me even more than the guys who expect them to.
But like you said earlier, it isn't just America. This is just where I live and what I've seen to base my opinions off of, which happens to be America. But yeah, there is music like this in other countries, and people in other countries also listen to this American music.
It's depressing to think that someday there may be no decent guys (or girls...) left because of the media.  |
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| octocoffee |
| Posted: Oct 29, 2007 10:22 pm |
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ポケット
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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Location: USA
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Hmm, totally agree with you guys, and I'd elaborate on why, but I'm too lazy  I find it so depressing that you can rarely find an American song on the radio nowadays that has thoughful, meaningul lyrics. In fact, they really are chockful of what amounts to nothing more than...doo-doo. In fact, I'd prefer to listen to Ayumi's songs that have profound words, even though I don't completely understand Japanese. than listen to..."Soulja Boy." -shudders- I don't even know what he's talking about in that song... |
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| october |
| Posted: Oct 29, 2007 11:01 pm |
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大好きだよ。
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Posts: 266
Location: America
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Mainstream rap, for the most part, is getting stranger and stranger. I'm very open-minded and can generally listen to anything, but sometimes when I hear the songs my younger relatives are playing and calling "2006-2007" anthems, I sometimes get confused. 
My school dances sometimes play Old School raps, when it was about fun instead of shooting people and seeing how many coins you get in your piggy bank today. I don't understand how it went from fun to nothing but money.
My dad is a big metal/old rock fan, and the stuff he plays is better than nowadays' radio-rock too. I used to be a big punk rock fan, which is why I thought it was weird when all of these new bands came to the surface and were "crowned" princess/king of punk. (i.e. FeFe Dobson, Avril Lavigne, Good Charlotte).
Quote: It's depressing to think that someday there may be no decent guys (or girls...) left because of the media.
My sisters, both adults, who sometimes listen to music like todays' popular hip-hop/rap don't act like that. That's mostly kid stuff, where I am. Even if while kids are young and have more superficial interests, it usually changes when they grow up/wake up one day. I rarely hear level-headed adults talking about "Soulja Boy" and "bling" or whatever, and I know that no serious, adult woman would go chase after a so-called "pimp". The adults around actually complain about what this generation listens and how they act because of what they listen to. When I get older and generation changes more, I might complain what next generation is listening to, and acting like.
Quote: However, you must agree that an 11 year old should never have a mood that makes them want to listen to a song about "naked women gyrating on the floor of a nightclub" as you so nicely put it, October
But that's just it. When you're that young, (at least in my case when I was young, and the younger kids around me) you don't listen to the lyrics so much as you listen to the beat, the chorus, the dances or just how popular it is with everyone else. My younger relatives who listen to song, even when they do, they don't understand the gist of song anyway. It's just what's popular and cool, so that's the main reason why they like it.
When I was 11 years old, and listening to music, even stuff like Eminem where he calls his Mother every horrible name in the book, I never thought about disrespecting my mother the same way, and if I saw someone doing drugs or dancing with bimbos in a video, I wouldn't think about growing up to be one of the bimbos. My mom withheld some music from me, but she wasn't there 24/7 so she didn't know every single song I was listening to. She taught me better than to take the lyrics as if they were real instead of just lyrics to a song, and most of the things being talked about, I had more sense than to try, or had already been taught by both my father and mother that they were wrong to do.
About your "loosen up my buttons" comment, I don't think there's anything absurdly wrong with a child having it as their favorite song. If the parents are already teaching them like they should be taught, I don't think it will influence the child to do anything absurd. You can't just sit back and blame all problems on the media, because the media's influence only goes so far. In the end everyone is responsible for everything that they do. If a parent doesn't want their children exposed to that type of music, it isn't that hard to make sure that at least around the home, they aren't allowed to listen, and they're taught not to act like an ass because of a song. There are alts to bad radio stations, like Radio Disney, or buying Child-music CDs.
Most of this information I'm just basing on myself. I know that no matter what I listen to, I'm still a moral person with common sense and good self-control. A song with bad lyrics won't cause me to believe or act any other way. |
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| xiaolingkia |
| Posted: Oct 29, 2007 11:34 pm |
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Planetarium
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yeah i don't really like Koda Kumi because she's more like selling her body instead of her music.
sometimes i dont understand why the girls are willing to actually be in those music videos. it doesn't make sense. women claim they are being unfairly treated but these girls are the ones degrading themselves!
i agree with Kerushii on how people get affected by the songs. the girls in my school, some of them listen to these emo-screamo songs which are fine. but when there're those lyrics about slitting wrists and stuff. it's unhealthy. i've seen girls in my school slitting their wrists (there were 2 who were only 13!). some are always yelling vulgarities like it's the coolest thing of the century. it's just immature. i think it's most likely from the influence from the music they listen to. i'm pretty sure that when they grow up(hopefully soon), they'd look back and really wonder...
i think the media should have restrictions. we have age limits for movies and stuff, why not for music? i think the message music sends out is as powerful as those that movies send out. |
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| october |
| Posted: Oct 30, 2007 1:44 am |
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大好きだよ。
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Posts: 266
Location: America
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We do have music warnings, but they only go so far. Even movies that are rated R can be accessible to someone under 17 so long as someone who isn't accompanies them. Music CDs have a little "PARENTAL ADVISORY EXPLICIT LYRICS" label on them if they're explicit, but even if a CD that was marked explicit was only able to be sold to people above 17, just like people who buy cigarettes & alcohol for minors, and just like people who take minors to see R rated movies, there would be people who buy explicit CDs for minors. So, restrictions wouldn't really make a difference, I think. It could help increase the chance of a parent being more aware of what type of music their kid is listening to, but I think that's about it...
You can't really tell someone what to write their songs about, and I think that's the only sure way to slow the madness, so... I guess you can teach them, let them be foolish kids/young adults until they change a bit, or just trust them. I'm 15, and I watch R rated movies and sometimes listen to explicit songs (even though I generally prefer not to) but I think I'm still alright. There are minors who aren't so heavily influenced by music/movies. |
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| KerushiiAi |
| Posted: Oct 30, 2007 8:49 pm |
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ポケット
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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octo wrote: In fact, I'd prefer to listen to Ayumi's songs that have profound words, even though I don't completely understand Japanese. than listen to..."Soulja Boy." -shudders- I don't even know what he's talking about in that song... Yeah, I agree. Even if I can't understand it, I can be sure it's less vulgar than what they're listening to
Oh, and the question is, do you want to know? 
@ october
You make some good points. And generally, I agree with you. It's just when the parents aren't being parents that's the problem. Or, they're doing a fine job, it's just when their kids get to school and are around their friends that they act...terrible. I know I can't blame it all on the media, the kids are idiots too ( ) and I don't wanna bash anyone's parenting, but...well. Maybe they should put hidden cameras in the classrooms so they can horrify the parents with their kids' behaviors.
And even if they don't really understand what the song is about, they're still listening to it, you know? Like...the words seep in, and it's possibly worse when they don't understand it, because if they did, they wouldn't listen to it! They wouldn't go around saying the things in the songs if they knew what they meant. (Well, some would, but they're idiots who just want attention)
Some kids are sensible even when they're young (like you, obviously, and I'd like to think myself as well ) but others aren't. And they just don't grow up; well, more like they think that what's being shown to them in these songs is growing up, since they are adults singing, and adults in the videos. So they're trying to act "grown up" by copying them, which is totally stupid, since no one acts like that, as you said.
Yeah, rap used to be ok, but now it's just...
Yeah, I'm 15 also, and I watch some R rated movies, but that's 'cause I'm not stupid enough to try anything shown. You're not either, but some kids are. Some kids are reckless idiots.
@ xiaoling
Yeah, it's odd. But young people who want to be in showbiz will do crummy roles they may not want to do to get noticed. I mean, no one wants to be on like, Cialis commercials, but they do it to get paid and to get noticed. Even if it is degrading.
It's whoever writes/directs the videos fault for writing those roles in there.
Yeah, and the whole slitting the wrists thing...that's pretty bad. The kids who do that do it for attention, they're never actually trying to kill themselves--ok well, I don't want to say "never" because I don't really know, but the vast majority are doing it for attention.
And like october said about the ratings on music, if they're buying the albums, then they do have stickers on them if they have curse words in the songs, and on the radio they blank out most cuss words now, but they still don't edit content, which is really what we're discussing. And they can't really edit for content, because some songs would be rendered unplayable. (Which I wouldn't complain about, but we all know my opinion already. ) |
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| october |
| Posted: Oct 30, 2007 11:08 pm |
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大好きだよ。
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Posts: 266
Location: America
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^ I know what you mean. A lot of the kids are wild and loud at my school, or like to disrespect the instructors just for fun and a few laughs. I know that if their parents were sitting in the same classroom--despite what some of them claim--they wouldn't act the same at all.
I understand what you're saying, so sorry if I'm coming off as overly difficult. It's great that no one's been offended, because I read over some of the thread and thought I sounded a bit rude. 
I wonder what music will be like in 10 years from now |
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| xiaolingkia |
| Posted: Oct 31, 2007 12:54 am |
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Planetarium
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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whoo so much to reply to, but im really lazy, sorry! i've had a bad day from school! so i'll make this short.
@october, i agree with you about the parenting thing. from what you said, you must have great parents(kerushii as well!) i am proud to say: ME TOO! haha! my parents give me alot of freedom to listen and watch what i want. I'm 16 and i get to watch R-rated movies and listen to whatever i want. and yes, i agree i don't get affected as well. but i also agree with kerushii that some kids are just not like that. they can be easily influenced by the things they listen to, watch or by their friends. it's about the individuals, but there is a significant number of them. and don't worry, this is all about us sharing our views. i didnt find you rude at all so it's okay=)
@keruishii: haha the desire for fame makes people do silly things huh! what's the cialis commercials about? i've not heard of them before.. yup it's all about the attention! there was this news about these 5 12-year old girls who slitted their wrists together and there was a big hullaballoo about it. i'm pretty sure its for attention but its so lame. even if i wanted attention, i wouldnt do something so stupid!
and yes, the bad words may be censored out or the lyrics changed, but for those sex-driven music, there's always the sexual inneundos which are really... obvious at times so its still just as bad=(
whoa that was still long though. yay! haha |
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