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| KerushiiAi |
 Posted: Nov 25, 2007 3:41 pm |
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@ Tom
Well, iTunes sort of supports .wma...if you drag the file and drop it into iTunes, it'll ask you if you wanna convert it. So it converts .wma files for you. OH iTunes did another update thing and they changed all their files' types to .m4p so that you can again, only play them in the iTunes software.  However, I downloaded a converter called like, MyFairTunes or something like that, that will convert those files to .m4a or .mp3 files for you. 
@ about FLAC
Well...so isn't it just like listening to the actual CD? 'Cause I own LOVE PiECE and I've listened to it in a CD player (I listened to it in a CD player before burning it onto my comp.) and it sounded awesome on there.
Oh I also just recently found out you can change settings on how iTunes burns files off a CD onto your computer! Everyone probably knew about this but me...but oh well, I was happy about it.  Higer quality burns, here I come! 
EDIT: Oh no guys, we're talking about music apps. again  |
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| Tdclarke |
| Posted: Nov 25, 2007 4:03 pm |
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金魚花火
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| october |
| Posted: Nov 25, 2007 4:26 pm |
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大好きだよ。
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| That's one of the things I don't like about iTunes, is that it won't support FLAC. But I don't think I have enough HD space for all of my music to be lossless anyway. I used to download FLAC anyway and convert it to 320kbps, because I heard that converting from FLAC is still better than converting from a lower bitrate (I usually get 192). I use apple lossless now...only for my favorite music. LOVE PiECE sounds so great at CD quality. A lot of people say AAC is way better than mp3, but I don't want all of my files to be able to play only in iTunes...so is it worth it, anyway? |
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| Tdclarke |
| Posted: Nov 25, 2007 4:36 pm |
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| hiro |
| Posted: Nov 25, 2007 4:53 pm |
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well AAC is better than mp3 if there are at the same bitrate, but if you have mp3 at a high enough bitrate like 320kbps, then it should be fine.
i dont think it's worth it to have your entire music library in FLAC format
unless you are really focusing all your attention on the song while listening to it, you can't tell the difference between 320kbps mp3 and 1048kbps FLAC/WAV/CD format audio.
and a lot songs are about catchiness with synth or beats and sampled loops, and that doesn't call for 1048kbps.
i'd say that FLAC is most useful for orchestral music or other music with a lot of dynamic (volume or instrumental) changes and layers. then, having full CD quality audio definitely makes a difference. |
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| Tdclarke |
| Posted: Nov 25, 2007 5:00 pm |
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金魚花火
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^Yep, agree 
Plus the transparency levels of audio formats is usually around 128/192kbps, therefore meaning the human ear is apparently not able to distinguish differences above that quality, so yeah, FLAC is just a bit extreme 
It tends to be loader music that needs higher bitrates, as (if you have ever looked at a track playing from VBR *cough* obviously not me  ), then you can see that when a track is quieter, it will utilise a lower bitrate, whereas when playing some metal, the bitrate will be higher, because it is using more "bits"., and needs this higher level to play the track to the most suitable quality.
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| KerushiiAi |
| Posted: Nov 25, 2007 5:20 pm |
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@ Tom
Well, iTunes isn't that bad.
It's Apple that sucks.
Well, they're just evil. 
A song on iTunes generally costs .99 cents, so basically a dollar plus tax. I'm not sure what the conversion is exactly, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was cheaper over here.
@ about sound quality
Well, I've also noticed that techno-y music often sounds like, "skrtch skrtch" with lower quality...well, it's hard to explain, but do you know what I mean?
@ october
Well, foobar can play AAC files, if it makes you feel any better. |
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| october |
| Posted: Nov 25, 2007 7:29 pm |
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Tdclarke wrote: You mean converting 192kbps to 320kbps? If so, that doesn't actually make it higher quality, it just means it will sound exactly the same, but you're making the file have more "bits per second" therefore meaning it takes up more disc space, for no quality enhancement 
Sort of. Sometimes uploaders upload in wma, things like that. If it's lower than 128, I don't take it. But if it's 192, I take it and convert it to mp3. My settings are always 320+, so when it converts, it goes from 128-192 to 320 automatically. I'm too lazy to keep changing it... And, like you, people say there's very little to no change at all, so you're better off just converting from normal to normal, or higher to normal. It's just that when you find a file that doesn't have a certain quality in a certain format, you have no choice ><
Whenever something has gone from lower to higher rather than the other way around,
I always leave a note, so that I can warn / notify people who I give it to. 
hiro wrote: well AAC is better than mp3 if there are at the same bitrate, but if you have mp3 at a high enough bitrate like 320kbps, then it should be fine.
i dont think it's worth it to have your entire music library in FLAC format.
Okies, thank you. But with Mackerel's canned food, after I made it lossless, I heard tons of things I didn't hear before, and things I did hear before, but more clearly. Maybe it just depends on what you're listening for / how sensitive your ears are. On Lossless vs Lossy discussion threads, some people are always saying that you can't tell that much of a difference, but others can actually point the differences out. Songs I don't really care for that much are normal, but I don't know, songs I really like, I just like knowing that it's *perfect* and you can't hear it any better than this, even if I can't hear that much of a difference. Silly, but yeah... I think I might use VBR then.
KerushiiAi wrote: Well, foobar can play AAC files, if it makes you feel any better.
Yeah, I think maybe anything is better than wmp.
But I can't bring myself to stop using iTunes. >< I'm so used to it.
And even if I did, the only portable players I have are iPods, and they aren't universally synchable (excuse my made-up words xD) so I guess I don't have a choice. |
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| hiro |
| Posted: Nov 25, 2007 8:30 pm |
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^ I have sensitive ears too, so i can hear the difference between 320kps and 1048kbps
(useful since I'm taking music theory class and I need to differentiate and isolate individual notes within chords and voices within an ensemble.)
I just don't think it's necessary for an entire music library.
I still definitely support getting audio in lossless format for tracks that you listen to a lot and really want to hear every detail. |
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| KerushiiAi |
| Posted: Nov 27, 2007 9:00 pm |
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@ october
Ah, yeah, I know. And actually, there is a plugin for foobar that allows you to sync it with the iPod, but I'm still using iTunes as a crutch
Also, I have a file, and it's a song I really like (unfortunately) and the quality is just awful.  Even though it says it's 192 kbps. I have a 90 kbps song (which I got a better copy of by now) that sounds loads better than it. So I'm thinking it might've been converted to a higher quality like you guys were talking about.  I really need to find a better quality file of it... Anyone have "Sunrise" by BENNIE K in a high quality format, by the way? 
@ hiro
So like, if I put the CD in my computer CD drive...and listened to it from there...it would be like listening to it in Lossless format right?
I do remember whenever I put a CD in a big stereo and it starts up, I can hear a difference in quality. I can tell it's way better, but I don't feel as involved in the music when it's not strapped around my ears, you know? So my point is, if you listen to the CD in your computer, it'd be the 1048 kbps version, right? |
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| hiro |
| Posted: Nov 27, 2007 9:14 pm |
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^ that is indeed correct.
this only applies of course if you are listening to audio that is streaming from the cd itself not the audio files after they have been ripped onto foobar or iTunes or WMP or whatever.
i'd consider it bothersome to have to swap cd's in and out of your cd drive
and after a while, your cd's are going to get scratched.
i suggest taking your cd's and making an exact copy of them using whatever default cd burning software you have on your computer
(this means you don't rip the cd's files into a media player and then burn the files onto a cd; instead, you just directly copy the disc itself.)
then, you can put the copied disc in your computer cd drive or in your boombox, and not have to worry about the original getting scratched.
that's what i did with my autographed copy of High and Mighty Color's Goover album.
my autographed original is safe in its case, and i have an exact copy with the full 1048kps audio to listen to whenever i want.
yay, another BENNIE K fan!
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i type too much 
i think i'll go to bed early today |
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| Tdclarke |
| Posted: Nov 28, 2007 4:35 am |
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金魚花火
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Here's a version of Sunrise by BENNIE K. It's 128kbps, but I thought it sounded pretty good
^You could do as hiro suggested, or you could have last.fm scrobbl-able files still by using Exact Audio Copy (I think I mentioned it somewhere else maybe ). Rather than WMP or iTunes, it is specifically designed to replicate every single bit from your CD into a digital format on your PC (and can use external codecs, therefore can convert to any format you want  )
It probably takes longer than a WMP ripping system, but then that is just poor and only allows for like 3 or 4 supported formats
hiro's idea is good tough, although to save the burning to another disc, and therefore that getting scratched later on, I would say just mount it, and virtually open the disc (as if it was in a disc drive, but actually it isn't ). But it all depends on what you use to do the initial rip from the CD. *.ISO seems to be the most popular disc image format, but there are loads of others too. Just ask if you prefer the sound of that method, but I'm sure just making a simple back up of the CD is much easier, so don't listen to me Just if you didn't want to insert a disc every time
But you might want to give EAC a go : http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/
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| KerushiiAi |
| Posted: Dec 02, 2007 6:36 pm |
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@ hiro
Hmm, I could try that. I never thought of the originals getting scratched! Do they actually get scratched by just being played? I guess that would explain my Josie and the Pussycats soundtrack...
But what would the default burner be? I've only ever ripped tracks onto my laptop using iTunes before.
@ Tom
Thanks for the track, I'll check it out to see if it sounds better.
Hmm, yeah I've heard of Exact Audio Copy...you must've mentioned it somewhere.
Oh that reminds me, I have a virtual drive on my laptop, but I want to get rid of it because iTunes can't burn discs with it there for some reason. Like, it can't detect the burner as being there, and I don't know why. My point is, how do you get rid of a virtual drive? Because I'm not using it for anything...I've tried uninstalling it, but then when I boot up my laptop again, it just reinstalls it! The program that created it didn't have a way to get rid of it that I saw, and I think I've gotten rid of the program by now. |
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| hiro |
| Posted: Dec 02, 2007 6:42 pm |
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^ i don't know what the default burner on your computer is, but usually, computers with software installed that allows you to burn CD's and/or DVD's.
i've never had a virtual drive, so i can't help you there.
i get really annoyed when i try to uninstall a program and it just leaves junk leftover files or registry entries all over my computer.
in other news, i made a custom Channel-Ai theme if you care to check it out. |
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| KerushiiAi |
| Posted: Dec 02, 2007 6:57 pm |
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Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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^ Ok, actually I think I may know what it is. I forget what it's called, but I think it's like SonicRecordNow! or something dorky sounding like that
Ah darn. That's ok.
Yeah, I know. It's very annoying.
Yeah, I just came from there! It's really nice, I like it. 
I'm using it right now. |
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